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	<title>Comments on: All-Time Best Seasons by Twins Hitters as Measured by VORP</title>
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		<title>By: SBG, The World&#8217;s Greatest Online Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cup of Coffee &#8212; October 8, 2006</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-31606</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG, The World&#8217;s Greatest Online Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cup of Coffee &#8212; October 8, 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] â€¢ Back on June 6th, I compiled a list of the top 50 VORP seasons in Twins history. At the time, Joe Mauer was projected to have the seventh best VORP season in Twins history. It turns out, not surprisingly, that that pace was unsustainable for a catcher. Mauer ended the season with &#8220;just&#8221; 66.6 VORP. That&#8217;s good enough for the ninth best season in Twins history. Of course, back on June 6th, Justin Morneau was floundering around at replacement level. Since then, he improved a little and ended up at 51.8 VORP, the 26th best season in club history, just ahead of Zoilo Versalles&#8217; 1965 MVP campaign. Mauer&#8217;s season was tremendous, especially when you consider that he&#8217;s just 23 years old. The 25 year old Morneau wasn&#8217;t bad either, eh? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] â€¢ Back on June 6th, I compiled a list of the top 50 VORP seasons in Twins history. At the time, Joe Mauer was projected to have the seventh best VORP season in Twins history. It turns out, not surprisingly, that that pace was unsustainable for a catcher. Mauer ended the season with &#8220;just&#8221; 66.6 VORP. That&#8217;s good enough for the ninth best season in Twins history. Of course, back on June 6th, Justin Morneau was floundering around at replacement level. Since then, he improved a little and ended up at 51.8 VORP, the 26th best season in club history, just ahead of Zoilo Versalles&#8217; 1965 MVP campaign. Mauer&#8217;s season was tremendous, especially when you consider that he&#8217;s just 23 years old. The 25 year old Morneau wasn&#8217;t bad either, eh? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, SBG! I can&#039;t say I&#039;m surprised by Knoblauch. No matter what we think of him now, he was a great player for the Twins. Think of the second basemen we&#039;ve had since thenâ€¦

I&#039;m not ashamed to admit that I LOVED Chuck Knoblauch and he was actually nice to me when I met him in 1994 (before he became a jerk, I&#039;m told). When my sister and I were taking the train from New York to Boston in 2000, we started talking with this guy who was a huge Yankees fan and when he found out I was a Twins fan he said, &quot;Seriously, what the hell happened to Chuck Knoblauch?&quot; 

Like you said, I also have a soft spot in my heart for that 1991 ROY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, SBG! I can't say I'm surprised by Knoblauch. No matter what we think of him now, he was a great player for the Twins. Think of the second basemen we've had since thenâ€¦</p>
<p>I'm not ashamed to admit that I LOVED Chuck Knoblauch and he was actually nice to me when I met him in 1994 (before he became a jerk, I'm told). When my sister and I were taking the train from New York to Boston in 2000, we started talking with this guy who was a huge Yankees fan and when he found out I was a Twins fan he said, "Seriously, what the hell happened to Chuck Knoblauch?" </p>
<p>Like you said, I also have a soft spot in my heart for that 1991 ROY.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-7033</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got the pitcher&#039;s list already put together.  Article forthcoming. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've got the pitcher's list already put together.  Article forthcoming. <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nate Tubbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Tubbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you do a comparable ranking of the top 50 seasons in Twins history for pitchers?  It&#039;d be interesting to see that list as well.  Good work.</description>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6497</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Yeah, its easy to beat up on Zoiloâ€™s MVP in retrospect, but it was a different game in 1965. &lt;/em&gt;

True enough.  I just checked and Zoilo had the best VORP in the AL in 1965.  Of course, the NL had 15 of the top 20 VORPs that year.  Just a down year for the big time guys in the AL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Yeah, its easy to beat up on Zoiloâ€™s MVP in retrospect, but it was a different game in 1965. </em></p>
<p>True enough.  I just checked and Zoilo had the best VORP in the AL in 1965.  Of course, the NL had 15 of the top 20 VORPs that year.  Just a down year for the big time guys in the AL.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, its easy to beat up on Zoilo&#039;s MVP in retrospect, but it was a different game in 1965.  Most of the superstars were in the NL and many of the usual suspects in the AL (Mantle, Yaz, Killebrew) missed time due to injuries.  Oliva was really the only other guy with much of an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, its easy to beat up on Zoilo's MVP in retrospect, but it was a different game in 1965.  Most of the superstars were in the NL and many of the usual suspects in the AL (Mantle, Yaz, Killebrew) missed time due to injuries.  Oliva was really the only other guy with much of an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: BigTicketFan</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6493</link>
		<dc:creator>BigTicketFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff SBG. Thanks for the work on putting this together!</description>
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		<title>By: frightwig</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6370</link>
		<dc:creator>frightwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice research, SBG.

Re: Zoilo in &#039;65. Bill James credits him with 32 Win Shares that season, which was 2nd only to Tony O&#039;s 33 in the league. Not the strongest of scores for an MVP, but not as weak as some who come to mind, like Mo Vaughn in &#039;95 (24 WS), Juan Gonzalez in &#039;96 (21 WS), Juan Gone in &#039;98 (25 WS), or  Ivan Rodriguez in &#039;99 (28 WS). Considering the league&#039;s level of offense in &#039;65 and Zoilo&#039;s defensive value at SS (he won a Gold Glove that year), he appears to have enjoyed a genuinely great year in his MVP season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice research, SBG.</p>
<p>Re: Zoilo in '65. Bill James credits him with 32 Win Shares that season, which was 2nd only to Tony O's 33 in the league. Not the strongest of scores for an MVP, but not as weak as some who come to mind, like Mo Vaughn in '95 (24 WS), Juan Gonzalez in '96 (21 WS), Juan Gone in '98 (25 WS), or  Ivan Rodriguez in '99 (28 WS). Considering the league's level of offense in '65 and Zoilo's defensive value at SS (he won a Gold Glove that year), he appears to have enjoyed a genuinely great year in his MVP season.</p>
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		<title>By: bjhess</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjhess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Since you want net earnings and I have no revenue and only expenses, Iâ€™ll send you my bill.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shit.  I knew I phrased that wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Since you want net earnings and I have no revenue and only expenses, Iâ€™ll send you my bill.</p></blockquote>
<p>Shit.  I knew I phrased that wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6350</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No data on that. Just a hunch. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No data on that. Just a hunch. <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you have any data on replacement-level managers?&lt;/i&gt;

To follow up, who had the better career VORP, Kelly or Gardentool?? Moss is thinking they are both negative or near-zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you have any data on replacement-level managers?</i></p>
<p>To follow up, who had the better career VORP, Kelly or Gardentool?? Moss is thinking they are both negative or near-zero.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6348</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you want net earnings and I have no revenue and only expenses, I&#039;ll send you my bill.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you want net earnings and I have no revenue and only expenses, I'll send you my bill.  <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: bjhess</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjhess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, you know or should know that the mere act of me publishing this page gives me all copyrights to this written material without any need to â€œgetâ€ a copyright. As for the F-Her nickname, I donâ€™t recall you ever putting that onto a tangible medium. So, your copyright claim is dubious. In fact, your claim of a copyright on that phrase is one of many â€œpatentedâ€ Moss diatribes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m 90% sure I coined Fliriano, the nickname you and Twins Junkie are using.  I only request 1% of your net earnings.  :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;...but I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Chukker.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I liked Chuck ... up until the winter after his rookie year when he signed at a baseball card show in Sioux Falls.  I went, all pumped to get his autograph.  I&#039;d never had a real autograph.  He was charging $7 a sign. In &#039;91.  And he was only a rookie.  He popped the cherry on my illusion that baseball players were somehow in it for thalovathagame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, you know or should know that the mere act of me publishing this page gives me all copyrights to this written material without any need to â€œgetâ€ a copyright. As for the F-Her nickname, I donâ€™t recall you ever putting that onto a tangible medium. So, your copyright claim is dubious. In fact, your claim of a copyright on that phrase is one of many â€œpatentedâ€ Moss diatribes.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm 90% sure I coined Fliriano, the nickname you and Twins Junkie are using.  I only request 1% of your net earnings.  <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<blockquote><p>...but I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Chukker.</p></blockquote>
<p>I liked Chuck ... up until the winter after his rookie year when he signed at a baseball card show in Sioux Falls.  I went, all pumped to get his autograph.  I'd never had a real autograph.  He was charging $7 a sign. In '91.  And he was only a rookie.  He popped the cherry on my illusion that baseball players were somehow in it for thalovathagame.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6345</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;btw, Knoblauch became a pariah because it commited a Twins no-no; he demanded a trade. If heâ€™d quietly gone to management about it, they could have even done better in trade, but as it was, hands became tied when public deadlines were set.&lt;/em&gt;

This is true (and what I meant to say was that something went horribly wrong &lt;em&gt;in New York&lt;/em&gt;), but I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Chukker.  He was a great, great player and it ended so badly for him.  We know his dad had ALS and he got divorced, which indicates that life was probably pretty rough for him.  The hotdog incident made him look like a pathetic baby and maybe he was a pathetic baby.  But, man, for about four or five seasons, he was on a Cooperstown track.

As for typos, I appreciate having them pointed out (I fixed it).  My editor is a real slacker.  I&#039;ll have to fire him one of these days. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>btw, Knoblauch became a pariah because it commited a Twins no-no; he demanded a trade. If heâ€™d quietly gone to management about it, they could have even done better in trade, but as it was, hands became tied when public deadlines were set.</em></p>
<p>This is true (and what I meant to say was that something went horribly wrong <em>in New York</em>), but I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Chukker.  He was a great, great player and it ended so badly for him.  We know his dad had ALS and he got divorced, which indicates that life was probably pretty rough for him.  The hotdog incident made him look like a pathetic baby and maybe he was a pathetic baby.  But, man, for about four or five seasons, he was on a Cooperstown track.</p>
<p>As for typos, I appreciate having them pointed out (I fixed it).  My editor is a real slacker.  I'll have to fire him one of these days. <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dlarso01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlarso01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super article!  My guess for top spot was Carew&#039;s 1977 year; close but no cigar.  (btw, 1977, not 1997 in your article comments)

btw, Knoblauch became a pariah because it commited a Twins no-no; he demanded a trade.  If he&#039;d quietly gone to management about it, they could have even done better in trade, but as it was, hands became tied when public deadlines were set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super article!  My guess for top spot was Carew's 1977 year; close but no cigar.  (btw, 1977, not 1997 in your article comments)</p>
<p>btw, Knoblauch became a pariah because it commited a Twins no-no; he demanded a trade.  If he'd quietly gone to management about it, they could have even done better in trade, but as it was, hands became tied when public deadlines were set.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6342</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Re: copyright of F-Her, Moss put it in a comment in Aug or Sep. SBG had posted the odds between the Twins and the Mariners with Hernandez pitching. Mossâ€™ comment was something like â€œMoss will take F-Her for $100, Alex.â€ So it was as fixed in a tangible medium as any of SBGâ€™s half-baked crap.&lt;/em&gt;

I do recall that, Moss.  Thanks for &quot;refreshing my recollection.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Re: copyright of F-Her, Moss put it in a comment in Aug or Sep. SBG had posted the odds between the Twins and the Mariners with Hernandez pitching. Mossâ€™ comment was something like â€œMoss will take F-Her for $100, Alex.â€ So it was as fixed in a tangible medium as any of SBGâ€™s half-baked crap.</em></p>
<p>I do recall that, Moss.  Thanks for "refreshing my recollection."</p>
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		<title>By: amr</title>
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		<dc:creator>amr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, they only pinch-hit for the DH for the lefty-righty matchup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, they only pinch-hit for the DH for the lefty-righty matchup.</p>
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		<title>By: Whiffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whiffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, he took the called third strike.  And it wasn&#039;t even borderline, it looked like a breaking ball right down the heart of the plate, belt-high.

It isn&#039;t like that was the first breaking ball Hernandez had thrown in a situation like that.  He was routinely throwing 2-0 breaking balls.

Last night was an awesome game.  The Twins pinch hit for the DH and also pinch hit for the 3B with the better-fielding backup 3B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he took the called third strike.  And it wasn't even borderline, it looked like a breaking ball right down the heart of the plate, belt-high.</p>
<p>It isn't like that was the first breaking ball Hernandez had thrown in a situation like that.  He was routinely throwing 2-0 breaking balls.</p>
<p>Last night was an awesome game.  The Twins pinch hit for the DH and also pinch hit for the 3B with the better-fielding backup 3B.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6339</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White did indeed take strike three. Moss recalls it being a curve right over the heart and high. Very hittable. The 3-2 still doesn&#039;t mitigate it to Moss because there is still so little upside and such a low chance of executing between White and Morneau. Unless, of course, the &#039;tool had a hunch. The hunch trumps everything.

Re: copyright of F-Her, Moss put it in a comment in Aug or Sep. SBG had posted the odds between the Twins and the Mariners with Hernandez pitching. Moss&#039; comment was something like &quot;Moss will take F-Her for $100, Alex.&quot; So it was as fixed in a tangible medium as any of SBG&#039;s half-baked crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White did indeed take strike three. Moss recalls it being a curve right over the heart and high. Very hittable. The 3-2 still doesn't mitigate it to Moss because there is still so little upside and such a low chance of executing between White and Morneau. Unless, of course, the 'tool had a hunch. The hunch trumps everything.</p>
<p>Re: copyright of F-Her, Moss put it in a comment in Aug or Sep. SBG had posted the odds between the Twins and the Mariners with Hernandez pitching. Moss' comment was something like "Moss will take F-Her for $100, Alex." So it was as fixed in a tangible medium as any of SBG's half-baked crap.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mice Tice were managing this team, he&#039;d call the pitches from the dugout.  Literally.  As in, calling out &quot;Hey Santana, throw the change up here.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mice Tice were managing this team, he'd call the pitches from the dugout.  Literally.  As in, calling out "Hey Santana, throw the change up here."</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6331</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did THE INSANITY take the third strike?  I was toiling away on this post and heard the strike out call and saw Morneau&#039;s &quot;slide.&quot;  Somewhere I heard it was a called third strike.

It was a 3-2 count, so that is a little bit of a mitigating factor for both THE INSANITY and the call for a hit and run.  If that pitch was close, however, he HAD to be swinging.  If he wasn&#039;t, he should be benched.  Come to think of it, he should be benched, period.  Stop THE INSANITY.

Of course, you know or should know that the mere act of me publishing this page gives me all copyrights to this written material without any need to &quot;get&quot; a copyright.  As for the F-Her nickname, I don&#039;t recall you ever putting that onto a tangible medium.  So, your copyright claim is dubious.  In fact, your claim of a copyright on that phrase is one of many &quot;patented&quot; Moss diatribes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did THE INSANITY take the third strike?  I was toiling away on this post and heard the strike out call and saw Morneau's "slide."  Somewhere I heard it was a called third strike.</p>
<p>It was a 3-2 count, so that is a little bit of a mitigating factor for both THE INSANITY and the call for a hit and run.  If that pitch was close, however, he HAD to be swinging.  If he wasn't, he should be benched.  Come to think of it, he should be benched, period.  Stop THE INSANITY.</p>
<p>Of course, you know or should know that the mere act of me publishing this page gives me all copyrights to this written material without any need to "get" a copyright.  As for the F-Her nickname, I don't recall you ever putting that onto a tangible medium.  So, your copyright claim is dubious.  In fact, your claim of a copyright on that phrase is one of many "patented" Moss diatribes.</p>
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		<title>By: mini_tb</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6329</link>
		<dc:creator>mini_tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Mike Tice is available.</description>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any data on replacement-level managers?</description>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6326</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moss got so worked up that he posted that item on Aaron&#039;s page for inclusion in the Gardentool file.</description>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6325</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, SBG. You just need to learn the difference between &quot;led&quot; and &quot;lead&quot;. Or Moss could copyright &quot;he lead the league&quot; for you. 

This is about last night&#039;s game, but Moss figures there&#039;s a better chance of getting a response here rather than the thread:

&lt;B&gt;What in the name of Tom Kelly is the Gardenslug doing ordering a hit-and-run with Morneau on first and White at bat???&lt;/b&gt;

This is a firing-squad offense. There is no justification in Moss&#039; opinion, and the &#039;tool should be called out. The chance of this play actually working in that instance were about .01%. In other words, the odds of White putting the ball into play to advance the runner were poor. On the other hand, White had a very good chance of striking out, and Morneau had a great chance to get hung out to dry. And although there was the chance of a GIDP, a groundball would have probably resulted in a DP even with Morneau going. So there was no real possibility of staying out of the DP.

The only reason a hit-and-run should have been called is if Gardy had a hunch. Because then it&#039;s okay, even if all the logic dictates otherwise. But if he didn&#039;t have a hunch and he called for it, then there&#039;s something really wrong here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, SBG. You just need to learn the difference between "led" and "lead". Or Moss could copyright "he lead the league" for you. </p>
<p>This is about last night's game, but Moss figures there's a better chance of getting a response here rather than the thread:</p>
<p><b>What in the name of Tom Kelly is the Gardenslug doing ordering a hit-and-run with Morneau on first and White at bat???</b></p>
<p>This is a firing-squad offense. There is no justification in Moss' opinion, and the 'tool should be called out. The chance of this play actually working in that instance were about .01%. In other words, the odds of White putting the ball into play to advance the runner were poor. On the other hand, White had a very good chance of striking out, and Morneau had a great chance to get hung out to dry. And although there was the chance of a GIDP, a groundball would have probably resulted in a DP even with Morneau going. So there was no real possibility of staying out of the DP.</p>
<p>The only reason a hit-and-run should have been called is if Gardy had a hunch. Because then it's okay, even if all the logic dictates otherwise. But if he didn't have a hunch and he called for it, then there's something really wrong here.</p>
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		<title>By: mini_tb</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator>mini_tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job, SBG, but how does Derek Jeter compare to the all-time best of the Twins?  You really should have done a Top 50 Twins plus Derek Jeter list.  By the way, I guessed the top 2 correctly.

Note: I am in no way ripping on Jeter; I am ripping on the media coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job, SBG, but how does Derek Jeter compare to the all-time best of the Twins?  You really should have done a Top 50 Twins plus Derek Jeter list.  By the way, I guessed the top 2 correctly.</p>
<p>Note: I am in no way ripping on Jeter; I am ripping on the media coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6311</link>
		<dc:creator>Beau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always known that was one spectacular season for Knoblauch.  I didn&#039;t pay much attention from 1995-2000 either, but I played WhatifSports, and Knoblauch&#039;s 96 season costs tons of money.  That season was one of the most (if not the most) expensive 2nd base seasons of all time.

And he finished 16th in MVP voting.  Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've always known that was one spectacular season for Knoblauch.  I didn't pay much attention from 1995-2000 either, but I played WhatifSports, and Knoblauch's 96 season costs tons of money.  That season was one of the most (if not the most) expensive 2nd base seasons of all time.</p>
<p>And he finished 16th in MVP voting.  Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6304</link>
		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, this was a really cool post.</description>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6303</link>
		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this make Chuck the most offensive player in Twins&#039; history? :)</description>
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		<title>By: bjhess</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2006/06/06/all-time-best-seasons-by-twins-hitters-via-vorp/#comment-6294</link>
		<dc:creator>bjhess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - excellent work!  That is certainly a surprising outcome - especially since I turned off baseball from 1995-2000.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow - excellent work!  That is certainly a surprising outcome - especially since I turned off baseball from 1995-2000.  <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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