Cup of Coffee — October 27, 2006
Posted by SBG on Friday, October 27th, 2006 at 8:15 am
• End of the month is near. Yahoo! By Nov. 1, things will have slowed up. A little.
• So, we are one game away from an 83 win team winning the World Series. To be fair, the Cardinals have been a good team for some time. Not so much this year, though. I know, they had injuries, and so forth. I do believe that more emphasis on the regular season would be in order. I blame George Steinbrenner, Derek Jeter, and every New York Yankee employee, fan, and sychophant who started this BS with an over emphasis on "The Ring".
• Lucy and I will be traveling this weekend. ubelmann, if you are interested in posting game logs for Games 6 and 7, if necessary, go ahead and do so. Just drop me an e-mail to let me know whether or not you will do so.
What's on your mind?



Moss is wondering if the long layoff had a major effect on the Tigs. Has anyone seen any analysis of that, or any reportage on what they did during the week to stay sharp?
I don't feel like doing a study or anything, but only one other time has one team swept a four game LCS and went on to face another team that went to 7 games in their LCS. That was 1988 A's, who lost to the Dodgers quite quickly.
But looking through other situations with moderate layoffs for one team, there doesn't seem to be any pattern.
Interestingly, in '87 he Twins beat the Blue Jays in 5 while the Cardinals took 7 exhausting games to beat the Giants.
Another 1/2" of rain overnight here in StL, and more on the way..
ubelmann must have set a few records last nite, including:
1) consecutive comments by one individual;
2) total number of comments on one thread by one individual;
3) highest percentage of comments on one thread by one individual.
It was a performance for the ages, ubelmann!
he had lots of catching up to do. I'm sure SBG is a dam ready to burst any day now, too.
Thanks, Moss. Like Rhubarb_Runner said, I had lots of catching up to do.
Liriano is getting ANOTHER test.
Just goes to show how medicine is more of an art than a science.
I posted something similar to this on Gleeman, but I can't get to that site at work, so I'll paraphrase myself here.
I feel for Liriano and the Twins. From personal experience, I now know that even the most sophisticated tests don't always reveal problems.
I have a history of heart problems and had my first angioplasty and coronary stent a few years ago (at the age of 33). Last March, while shoveling snow, I had that same type of chest pain that I'd experienced before. I went to the emergency room and was immediately admitted. They did a large battery of tests, including a special type of cardiac test called a nuclear stress test. It's supposedly the cadillac of coronary diagnostics. All of these tests revealed no problems at all, so the doctors sent me home.
I went mountain biking a few days later and was really having trouble getting through the climbs. My chest was burning like never before, and I was riding by myself. But the doctors had just finished pronouncing my heart fit as a fiddle, so I struggled on and finished the ride.
The pains continued, until finally I couldn't even walk up my own stairs without chest pain. I saw my cardiologist (less than 10 days after the nuclear stress-test) and told him I wasn't feeling "right". He had, of course, already reviewed my test results from before. He gave me the option of doing another angiogram - "just to see what's going on in there". I opted to do so.
In that procedure, he found that my LAD was almost completely blocked (over 90%). This is the "widowmaker" artery, and is the same one that was blocked the first time I needed a stent. He inserted another stent to open the blockage, and I've felt fine ever since.
My point is only this: tests aren't 100% effective. I asked how that nuclear stress-test could reveal no blockages when in fact my LAD was almost completely blocked. I was told that this test in which I and the doctors had put so much faith is only about 90% effective.
So if Liriano isn't "feeling right", my initial reaction a year ago would have been, in so many words, to tell him to "suck it up and quit being a baby. The tests show that you don't have any new structural damage and only limited damage from the original injury years ago. You're fine; go out there and pitch."
Today, I would not make that statement. I'm much more inclined to believe that a person's awareness that something doesn't "feel right" is a powerful indicator that something is indeed wrong.
I don't know why the Twins don't schedule a simple exploratory procedure - not to do ligament replacement surgery or anything else reconstructive - simply to go in and "see what's going on." Isn't there an elbow equivalent to angioplasty - a procedure that simply lets the doctors see exactly what is going on in the elbow, instead of relying on less-than-perfect external diagnostics like MRI?
I'm not a doctor, obviously, so I don't know the answer. But it seems that such a procedure could be done with minimal recovery time if no problems are discovered. And then both parties would know exactly what the situation is. No more worrying, no more second-guessing - you know, for sure, what you're dealing with.
I wish for his sake they'd do that. He's 23, with a multi-million dollar career ahead of him, and he doesn't know why his arm hurts or what to do about it. The doctors have already told him that his arm is ok, but it doesn't feel ok. I know exactly what that's like, and it's not fun.
Sounds like a pretty scary situation for you. Hopefully that new stent continues to hold up.
I think that before going into a full-on TJ surgery, they should do the exploratory procedure that has been mentioned elsewhere that opens it up and takes a look around. He'll probably need TJ surgery, but it sounds like the exploratory procedure would give Liriano and the team the most information and wouldn't keep him out of any action next season. At this point, though, if Liriano is still experiencing pain, there must be a reason for it, and I'm doubtful that PT will be enough to fix it.
My point is only this: tests aren’t 100% effective. I asked how that nuclear stress-test could reveal no blockages when in fact my LAD was almost completely blocked. I was told that this test in which I and the doctors had put so much faith is only about 90% effective.
Great post, SDfan. And glad to hear that they caught your blockage in time. (but I hope you find a mountain-biking buddy AND carry a cellphone!)
you've raised the Scylla/Charybdis issue with all tests. Type I error (false positive) or Type II error (false negative)?? choose your poison.
American medicine, in which patients generally bear very little of the marginal costs of medical care and doctors face LARGE risks for under-treatment errors (malpractice lawsuits), tends to err heavily on the side of Type I errors for diagnostic tests, followed by "unnecessary" additional procedures. I can't say that I particularly disagree with this approach, particularly when MY health is at risk. But it is a significant social problem.
I'm also not a doctor, but my understanding is that exploratory surgery on F-bomb's elbow would be arthroscopic, which is minimally invasive. I read an article a couple of months ago when Liriano went down the second time that quoted another pitcher who had a similar MRI experience, showing no damage. When they put a scope in, they found that there was a longitudinal tear in the UCL, which the MRI couldn't discover at all. So there could very well be damage to Liriano's UCL that isn't showing up in the MRIs. That makes me think the next best step would be exploratory arthroscopic surgery to determine if there's damage the MRI's don't show.
I think even minor exploratory surgery at this point will interfere with his pitching in the Venezuelan league, which the Twins are high on him doing.
Then again, he won't be doing that if his elbow needs the surgery.
Hey, what's up with all the spam posts in old threads all of a sudden?
I'm not complaining. I'm curious about how the spam blocker works (or doesn't, as the case may be).
SBG,
I just installed IE7 on my work computer and the site looks just as good as it does in Firefox. All of the formatting problems that IE6 had seem to have disappeared.
Sweet! I just downloaded MIE 7.0. My this site is so much nicer now.
Great, twayn! It's good to have a browser that works almost as well as Firefox!!!
Well, my browser choices at work are limited to IE6 or IE7. I use Firefox at home, and it is my preferred browser.
Have you tried using Portable Firefox via a thumbdrive? When we migrated nextworks in the military I switched to using PortFox on my thumbdrive when we were no longer allowed to install it on our machines. I love being able to take my bookmarks anywhere.
Today's Simmons column, commenting on last night's Suppan/Scooter "very special episode", which I personally found car-crash compelling (and strangely reminiscent of a Kratt's Kreatures/Zaboomafoo show)
"Is there a way to wager that Suppan will get arrested for exposing himself in an X-rated theater within the next five years?"
I think Simmons pretty much has the Vikings pegged in that column, too, (basically, a team that makes few mistakes, capitalizes on other teams mistakes, and will have difficulty beating truly good teams) but I think he overrates (8th in the league?) how far that sort of football can get you. Vikes might get a playoff spot, but they'll need a lot of good fortune if they're going to make any real noise.
You did notice how many truly putrid teams there are listed lower than the Vikes, though, right?
J. R. Richard is another person who could tell you about how it is when you don't feel right and all the doctors tell you you're just fine.
The Lord must have been watching over you, SDFan. We're all glad you came out okay.
ubelmann must have set a few records last nite
Bring it on, U-mann!
The regular season was devalued as a mere prelude to the playoffs the day Selig & Co. expanded to six divisions and adopted the wild card system. Has there been a really great pennant race since the AL West in '95? I can't recall one. Some good ones in divisions where the wild card wasn't in play, but no classic races come to mind.
But even before the wild card era, when was the World Series not the capstone on a season, what every team shoots towards when they come North in the spring? Fans have their memories of watching their favorite players and teams in certain moments throughout a given season, but it's the World Series that represents each year in the record books and stands in the minds of everyone.
I once had a conversation with an Angels fan about which is better: to watch your team win a World Series or be a fan of a team which won 116 games, more games than any team in history, but couldn't win the pennant. He asked who felt better at the end of the season? And he pointed out that he'd just bought a book titled something like, 100 Years of the World Series, and it felt special to see his team in there with the 99 other champions. Generations from now, people will still see the 2002 Angels recorded in that lofty company. Meanwhile, what will history say about the 2001 season and my Mariners who couldn't close the deal? I'm afraid that the 116 wins has already become a historical footnote. More people remember Johnson/Schilling, and the D-Backs beating Mariano Rivera in the World Series. That's just how it goes.
One thing I've been thinking when I've seen other teams celebrate during the playoffs is that none of the other teams seemed to capture the sheer joy that the Twins had when they captured a playoff berth, and later, the AL Central title. In this case, I think I'm probably mostly being a homer, but the way in which you win something definitely plays a part in how much joy you take in it. Would we remember the '91 or '87 WS so fondly if they were sweeps? If there was no Game 6 heroism? No Jack Buck seeing us tomorrow night?
Probably not.
I guess my point is that for nostalgia's sake, it matters less what the aggregate numbers are, or even what the precise accomplishments were, but that you accomplished something, and that you did it dramatically. (And I'm convinced that 10 years from now, I'll remember that this was a damned good team and I won't really care what happened in the playoffs--they came back from 10+ GB in June, and they did it against two really good teams.) This year's Twins did that, and heck, this year's Cardinals did that, too, once they made it to the playoffs. They put their fans on some sort of wild roller coaster ride, and I doubt any of them would trade it for a 120-win season--though more impressive, it just wouldn't be as magical.
Bingo. The WC is kind of a good idea for fairness' sake, but the 8-team playoff format completely devalues the regular season, and the WC robs us from any good races between two really, truly good teams, because any two really good teams are just going to lock up the Division title and the WC (see: 2006, Twins and Tigers). Instead, we get division "races" between teams that barely deserve to make the playoffs.
But you remember those magical 116 wins, right? The regular season is for the hometown fans. The diehards who follow day-to-day. The national spotlight isn't big enough to shine on all of the great regular season accomplishments, but I don't think that means they don't matter. It just means they matter to a smaller subset of fans. I would've loved to see the Twins take the WS this year, but every single time someone (rightfully) counts out a team with a double digit deficit in the standings, I'll remember the 2006 Twins. Frankly, I don't care if anyone else remembers, but I'm not going to be forgetting this season any time soon.