Open Chat — January 12, 2007

Cup of Coffee.jpgHall of Fame, Top 40 VORP, and Soccer talk. It's a big Friday here at the WGOM.

13 comments to Open Chat — January 12, 2007

  • Here's a question for the philosophers out there: if Eddie Griffin is suspended without pay for five games, does anyone in the NBA notice?

    I guess it wouldn't be a whole lot of money, but do you suppose there's any way that the T-Wolves can get out of Eddie Griffin's contract if he keeps screwing up off the court? They're in an awful salary cap position, but sometimes starting with small steps leads to bigger things in the future.

    • SBG

      His contract is relatively small, so it's not going to make much difference, but it's another example of McHale's lunacy. Why this guy was given a contract at all beyond that first year is BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING.

  • If a player is suspended without pay, does his foregone pay un-count against the salary total for luxury tax purposes? If so, I can see all sorts of opportunities/incentives for spiking guys' post-game Slurpees.

    • SHHHH!!!! Glen Taylor might hear you and wind up costing the Timberwolves all of their draft picks for the next 30 years.

      • You bring up something I've been waiting to as a question about, ubelmann.

        Since I haven't followed the NBA since the Christian Laettner T-wolves days and at any rate was never a huge draft follower, forgive me for asking this:

        Is saying "Joe Smith" to a T-wolves fan on par with saying "Ken Phelps" to a Yankee fan? Or is it several orders of magnitude worse?

        • That should be "ask a question about."

        • SBG

          Not even close. The Yankees gave up Jay Buhner, a decent player for Ken Phelps, who was a bust. Big deal.

          The Wolves had their franchise destroyed by a lame-brained decision to give Smith an under the table deal. They lost four 1st round picks, which was simply devastating.

          • So I should expect the Costanza-esque paroxysm from the mention of Smith to be about a quarter trillion times worse as well.

          • Jay Buhner was a prospect who turned out to be a good player (124 OPS+, made an All-Star team, won a Gold Glove). Ken Phelps was a very good DH (132 OPS+ career, and even better than that in Seattle), who should have been an ideal fit for Yankee Stadium, but he fell into sharp decline soon after the trade. At the time, it probably felt like a symptom of how the Yanks were heading in the wrong direction--hitting bottom with a 67-95 record in 1990--but, since then, of course the club managed to recover.

            At what point will Wolves fans be able to put the Joe Smith Excuse behind them, too?

            You know McHale was only going to waste those picks, anyway? Wink By now, if he had a good plan for managing his cap space and targeting quality free agents, he should have been able to work around the draft handicap, like he did in 2004. His biggest trouble, really, is that he keeps blowing his budget on new players who suck worse than Ken Phelps in pinstripes.

            • Kevin McHale's problems certainly go farther than the lost draft picks, but just looking at this year's picks, it's hard to argue that the team wouldn't be better with those picks. It might even have kept McHale from signing some of the fringe guys like Hudson, James, etc.

              Joe Smith isn't so much an excuse as it is a part of the bigger picture of terrible decisions in upper management. At least if they had more to work with (a few more draft picks) they would've been at less of a disadvantage.

  • SBG

    The Cup of Coffee list -- players who played one game in the majors.

  • American Blais is still in 5th place in Dakar.

    After a motorcycle fatality, th' Vatican calls the rally
    a bloody race of irresponsibility (in contrast to auto-de-fey).