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	<title>Comments on: Sharks vs. Piranhas Part I</title>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85454</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that the RC formula was designed for people with a standard distribution of hits.  Obviously there&#039;s no way a hitter can get a home run every 7 ABs without occasionally smashing one off the wall for a double or hitting a sharp liner for a single.  Likewise, no MLB hitter is going to be able to hit .361 without hitting the ball sharply enough to get a decent number of extra base hits as well.

My guess is that the formula was based on empirical evidence.  If you wanted to adjust the formula so that it fit the model more closely, you&#039;d need to come up with a statistic that says &quot;How hard does this player hit the ball on average?&quot;.  The closest thing we have to that above is SLG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that the RC formula was designed for people with a standard distribution of hits.  Obviously there's no way a hitter can get a home run every 7 ABs without occasionally smashing one off the wall for a double or hitting a sharp liner for a single.  Likewise, no MLB hitter is going to be able to hit .361 without hitting the ball sharply enough to get a decent number of extra base hits as well.</p>
<p>My guess is that the formula was based on empirical evidence.  If you wanted to adjust the formula so that it fit the model more closely, you'd need to come up with a statistic that says "How hard does this player hit the ball on average?".  The closest thing we have to that above is SLG.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85450</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how I&#039;ll always remember it.</description>
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		<title>By: Rhubarb_Runner</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhubarb_Runner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These 2007 Twins put the &quot;ha&quot; in piranha.</description>
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		<title>By: AMR</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85439</link>
		<dc:creator>AMR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, remember it&#039;s a Portugese spelling, and &quot;nh&quot; is the Portugese &quot;&#241;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, remember it's a Portugese spelling, and "nh" is the Portugese "&ntilde;"</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85406</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should read &quot;...they are back to getting shut out regularly (as in &lt;strong&gt;2005&lt;/strong&gt;).&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85401</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the 2002 formula helps slightly, 3.44 for Sharks and 5.53 for Piranhas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the 2002 formula helps slightly, 3.44 for Sharks and 5.53 for Piranhas.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85400</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, using the basic formula for RC=OBP Ã— SLG Ã— AB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created), this is what comes out:

Sharks 2.57 (4.5 hits, 31.5 AB)
Piranhas 5.50 (15.25 hits, 42.25 AB)

Most likely, that just shows the formula breaks down at the extremes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, using the basic formula for RC=OBP Ã— SLG Ã— AB (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created</a>), this is what comes out:</p>
<p>Sharks 2.57 (4.5 hits, 31.5 AB)<br />
Piranhas 5.50 (15.25 hits, 42.25 AB)</p>
<p>Most likely, that just shows the formula breaks down at the extremes.</p>
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		<title>By: New Guy</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85392</link>
		<dc:creator>New Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we going to start calling Nick Punto &#039;puto&#039; now? It&#039;s a very bad word in Spanish, but then again he is a very bad baseball player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we going to start calling Nick Punto 'puto' now? It's a very bad word in Spanish, but then again he is a very bad baseball player.</p>
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		<title>By: brianS</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85389</link>
		<dc:creator>brianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what I really like is the comment about efficiency. The Piranhas strand lots of runners and are dependent on what has been called elsewhere &quot;long-sequence&quot; offense. That&#039;s poor efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I really like is the comment about efficiency. The Piranhas strand lots of runners and are dependent on what has been called elsewhere "long-sequence" offense. That's poor efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Banjo</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85386</link>
		<dc:creator>Banjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ryan&#039;s real hope was that he could replicate last year, vis-a-vis installing Casilla and anybody but Punto at 3rd base -essentially the Batista/Castro, Puto/Bartlett flip flop. And that, coaxing anything at all from White would be a pure bonus over what Tyner was giving them. The net result would be to eke out a few more games in the 2nd half with at least 4 runs.

I suspect he was (is) also counting on Mauer to have a monster 2nd half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ryan's real hope was that he could replicate last year, vis-a-vis installing Casilla and anybody but Punto at 3rd base -essentially the Batista/Castro, Puto/Bartlett flip flop. And that, coaxing anything at all from White would be a pure bonus over what Tyner was giving them. The net result would be to eke out a few more games in the 2nd half with at least 4 runs.</p>
<p>I suspect he was (is) also counting on Mauer to have a monster 2nd half.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85385</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From today&#039;s game story by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/twins/story/1354706.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LENIII&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What made this one strange was that the Twins strutted out of Kauffman Stadium one night earlier with an 11-4 victory, thinking their scoring troubles were over.

&quot;One of those days where you just kind of shake your head and wonder what&#039;s going on,&quot; Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. &quot;You score that many last night. That&#039;s the way the game is. You come back [Thursday] and can&#039;t find a way to score a run.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I mean, hey, they scored 11 last night.  Problems over, right?  Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From today's game story by <a href="http://www.startribune.com/twins/story/1354706.html" rel="nofollow">LENIII</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>What made this one strange was that the Twins strutted out of Kauffman Stadium one night earlier with an 11-4 victory, thinking their scoring troubles were over.</p>
<p>"One of those days where you just kind of shake your head and wonder what's going on," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. "You score that many last night. That's the way the game is. You come back [Thursday] and can't find a way to score a run."</p></blockquote>
<p>I mean, hey, they scored 11 last night.  Problems over, right?  Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85384</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;An observation about the BAâ€™s â€” it seems that the Sharksâ€™ scoring scales directly with their BA, while the Guppiesâ€™ scoring would increase non-linearly with an increase in BA. (And conversely, a downtick in BA means a non-linear decrease in number of runs.)&lt;/em&gt;

Bingo!  This is also on the slate for part 2.

&lt;em&gt;And another problem for the Twins comes into view â€” in games when they get few hits (today), they absolutely cannot score. This year, they are 10th in the AL in BA; last year, as Dick points out nightly, they led the league in BA. No surprise that the run scoring is down significantly, and they are back to getting shut out regularly (as in 2004).&lt;/em&gt;

Yep, when you rely on singles to score runs and don&#039;t get any, it&#039;s essentially a crap shoot.  If you manage to clump them all together, you might do ok.  Unfortunately, this will normally not be the case and you will not get much of anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>An observation about the BAâ€™s â€” it seems that the Sharksâ€™ scoring scales directly with their BA, while the Guppiesâ€™ scoring would increase non-linearly with an increase in BA. (And conversely, a downtick in BA means a non-linear decrease in number of runs.)</em></p>
<p>Bingo!  This is also on the slate for part 2.</p>
<p><em>And another problem for the Twins comes into view â€” in games when they get few hits (today), they absolutely cannot score. This year, they are 10th in the AL in BA; last year, as Dick points out nightly, they led the league in BA. No surprise that the run scoring is down significantly, and they are back to getting shut out regularly (as in 2004).</em></p>
<p>Yep, when you rely on singles to score runs and don't get any, it's essentially a crap shoot.  If you manage to clump them all together, you might do ok.  Unfortunately, this will normally not be the case and you will not get much of anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85383</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Ryan is starting to see the light, and got rid of Castillo because he wasn&#039;t worth the cash. He&#039;s got Morneau and Cuddyer for relatively cheap to provide power -- no sense paying a non-power guy millions of dollars. (You could even justify letting Cirillo go on these grounds, since he wasn&#039;t exactly knocking the ball out with any regularity.)

Now if he can just stay with the theme and find one or two young, cheap power hitters for 3B and DH, the Twins could survive having no power out of SS and 2B. (CF is going to be a problem regardless -- it&#039;s either going to be lacking power, or very expensive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Ryan is starting to see the light, and got rid of Castillo because he wasn't worth the cash. He's got Morneau and Cuddyer for relatively cheap to provide power -- no sense paying a non-power guy millions of dollars. (You could even justify letting Cirillo go on these grounds, since he wasn't exactly knocking the ball out with any regularity.)</p>
<p>Now if he can just stay with the theme and find one or two young, cheap power hitters for 3B and DH, the Twins could survive having no power out of SS and 2B. (CF is going to be a problem regardless -- it's either going to be lacking power, or very expensive.)</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85382</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How did you arrive at the BAâ€™s for the teams? Did you do it exhaustively until you hit on 4.5 runs/game?&lt;/em&gt;

For the sharks it was easy.  I just need them to have 4.5 HR for every 27 outs they made.  So their average becomes 4.5/(27+4.5) = 1/7.

For the Piranhas, I just had to do trial and error until I got something really close.  Eventually I got .361174 to be a close enough mark which scores the piranhas 0.500001 runs/inning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How did you arrive at the BAâ€™s for the teams? Did you do it exhaustively until you hit on 4.5 runs/game?</em></p>
<p>For the sharks it was easy.  I just need them to have 4.5 HR for every 27 outs they made.  So their average becomes 4.5/(27+4.5) = 1/7.</p>
<p>For the Piranhas, I just had to do trial and error until I got something really close.  Eventually I got .361174 to be a close enough mark which scores the piranhas 0.500001 runs/inning.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85381</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An observation about the BA&#039;s -- it seems that the Sharks&#039; scoring scales directly with their BA, while the Guppies&#039; scoring would increase non-linearly with an increase in BA. (And conversely, a downtick in BA means a non-linear decrease in number of runs.)

And another problem for the Twins comes into view -- in games when they get few hits (today), they absolutely cannot score.  This year, they are 10th in the AL in BA; last year, as Dick points out nightly, they led the league in BA. No surprise that the run scoring is down significantly, and they are back to getting shut out regularly (as in 2004).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An observation about the BA's -- it seems that the Sharks' scoring scales directly with their BA, while the Guppies' scoring would increase non-linearly with an increase in BA. (And conversely, a downtick in BA means a non-linear decrease in number of runs.)</p>
<p>And another problem for the Twins comes into view -- in games when they get few hits (today), they absolutely cannot score.  This year, they are 10th in the AL in BA; last year, as Dick points out nightly, they led the league in BA. No surprise that the run scoring is down significantly, and they are back to getting shut out regularly (as in 2004).</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85380</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 2 will deal with just how useless players like Nick Punto and Jason Tyner actually are.  Basically, it&#039;s impossible to be a very good major league hitter if you don&#039;t have any power at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part 2 will deal with just how useless players like Nick Punto and Jason Tyner actually are.  Basically, it's impossible to be a very good major league hitter if you don't have any power at all.</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85379</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re all doing graphics here.  :)

&lt;img src=&quot;http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/run_freq_inning.png&quot; /&gt;

Same trend per inning.  Fewer 0 run innings for the sharks, more 1 and 2 run innings, fewer of everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we're all doing graphics here.  <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<p><img src="http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/run_freq_inning.png" /></p>
<p>Same trend per inning.  Fewer 0 run innings for the sharks, more 1 and 2 run innings, fewer of everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85378</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did you arrive at the BA&#039;s for the teams? Did you do it exhaustively until you hit on 4.5 runs/game?

Interestingly, the Guppies have a marginally higher OPS than the Sharks. Although the margin is really razor-thin, one could conclude that it takes a higher OPS to score the same number of runs if you are doing it all by singles. And then the real problem with the Twins&#039; offense comes into view -- their OPS is sub-standard, so there&#039;s no way in hell they can score an average number of runs with their complete lack of power in 6/9ths of the order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you arrive at the BA's for the teams? Did you do it exhaustively until you hit on 4.5 runs/game?</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Guppies have a marginally higher OPS than the Sharks. Although the margin is really razor-thin, one could conclude that it takes a higher OPS to score the same number of runs if you are doing it all by singles. And then the real problem with the Twins' offense comes into view -- their OPS is sub-standard, so there's no way in hell they can score an average number of runs with their complete lack of power in 6/9ths of the order.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85377</link>
		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we saying that Tony Batista is better than Nick Punto?</description>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85376</link>
		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only good thing that has come from this whole piranha mess is that I can now remember how to spell piranha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only good thing that has come from this whole piranha mess is that I can now remember how to spell piranha.</p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85375</link>
		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: the Piranhas probably cost a lost less money than the Sharks.  Back in 2004 at BP, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3016&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Murphy and Jared Weiss looked at free agent salaries&lt;/a&gt; and determined that they were correlated more closely to total bases than to VORP.  That&#039;s not exactly what we&#039;re looking at here, but I&#039;d guess that each hitter on the Sharks and Piranhas would have the same VORP since each lineup produces the same number of runs over the course of the season.  Since the Sharks have a much higher SLG, though, they should wind up with more total bases, and will be a lot more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: the Piranhas probably cost a lost less money than the Sharks.  Back in 2004 at BP, <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3016" rel="nofollow">Ben Murphy and Jared Weiss looked at free agent salaries</a> and determined that they were correlated more closely to total bases than to VORP.  That's not exactly what we're looking at here, but I'd guess that each hitter on the Sharks and Piranhas would have the same VORP since each lineup produces the same number of runs over the course of the season.  Since the Sharks have a much higher SLG, though, they should wind up with more total bases, and will be a lot more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or the Piranhas&#039;, whichever.</description>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moss&#039;d rather have the Pirhanas&#039; distribution, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moss'd rather have the Pirhanas' distribution, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not really even that much noise by my eye.  Shovel some of the 3 column to the 2 and 4, move some of th 7 to the 6 and 8, and you&#039;re pretty darned close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not really even that much noise by my eye.  Shovel some of the 3 column to the 2 and 4, move some of th 7 to the 6 and 8, and you're pretty darned close.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know what you need and I&#039;ll get it for you.  I have ways to get it very easily with my BP subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know what you need and I'll get it for you.  I have ways to get it very easily with my BP subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really pretty remarkable.  There is obviously a bit of noise, but the picture is enough to make me believe that my math is spot on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's really pretty remarkable.  There is obviously a bit of noise, but the picture is enough to make me believe that my math is spot on!</p>
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		<title>By: GreekHouse</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85365</link>
		<dc:creator>GreekHouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about looking up these numbers, but in the end I was just too lazy.  :)

It&#039;s good to know that what&#039;s happening is exactly as I would have predicted it.  The Twins hitting problems go a bit deeper than just this, but I think this problem is at the heart of it.  The Twins marginally winning record this season is obviously a result of their fantastic pitching.  Some hitters with even a marginal amount of power at the bottom of the order would greatly improve the Twins consistency and could have very likely contributed to 6 (or perhaps many more) wins so far this season.

If I feel up to it, I may try to run some of those numbers before part 2, or maybe even make it into a part 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about looking up these numbers, but in the end I was just too lazy.  <img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<p>It's good to know that what's happening is exactly as I would have predicted it.  The Twins hitting problems go a bit deeper than just this, but I think this problem is at the heart of it.  The Twins marginally winning record this season is obviously a result of their fantastic pitching.  Some hitters with even a marginal amount of power at the bottom of the order would greatly improve the Twins consistency and could have very likely contributed to 6 (or perhaps many more) wins so far this season.</p>
<p>If I feel up to it, I may try to run some of those numbers before part 2, or maybe even make it into a part 3.</p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85364</link>
		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work, GreekHouse.  That&#039;s pretty cool how closely that models the Twins&#039; offense.

Do you have data for the Sharks and Piranhas per inning?  That seems important for the purpose of the general &quot;small ball&quot; vs. &quot;smash ball&quot; debate.  One of the main advantages to small ball is that it&#039;s supposed to be better in close games where you might just need one run.  The number of shutouts for the piranhas suggests that they probably get shut out per inning a lot, but...while it seems unlikely to me that the per inning distribution is much different than the per game distribution, I&#039;m curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work, GreekHouse.  That's pretty cool how closely that models the Twins' offense.</p>
<p>Do you have data for the Sharks and Piranhas per inning?  That seems important for the purpose of the general "small ball" vs. "smash ball" debate.  One of the main advantages to small ball is that it's supposed to be better in close games where you might just need one run.  The number of shutouts for the piranhas suggests that they probably get shut out per inning a lot, but...while it seems unlikely to me that the per inning distribution is much different than the per game distribution, I'm curious.</p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing this to the Piranhas:

&lt;a href=&#039;http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-twinspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG&#039; title=&#039;Comparison of Twins and Piranhas Histogram&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&#039;http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-twinspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG&#039; alt=&#039;Comparison of Twins and Piranhas Histogram&#039; width=&quot;70%&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing this to the Piranhas:</p>
<p><a href='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-twinspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG' title='Comparison of Twins and Piranhas Histogram' rel="nofollow"><img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-twinspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG' alt='Comparison of Twins and Piranhas Histogram' width="70%" /></a></p>
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		<title>By: ubelmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those visual learners out there, here is the run frequency data in graphical form:

&lt;a href=&#039;http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-sharkspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG&#039; title=&#039;Sharks vs. Piranhas Run Frequency Histogram&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&#039;http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-sharkspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG&#039; alt=&#039;Sharks vs. Piranhas Run Frequency Histogram&#039; width=&quot;70%&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those visual learners out there, here is the run frequency data in graphical form:</p>
<p><a href='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-sharkspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG' title='Sharks vs. Piranhas Run Frequency Histogram' rel="nofollow"><img src='http://stickandballguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/080907-sharkspiranhasrunfrequencyhistogram.PNG' alt='Sharks vs. Piranhas Run Frequency Histogram' width="70%" /></a></p>
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		<title>By: CarterHayes</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85361</link>
		<dc:creator>CarterHayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s also the school where you don&#039;t use the bullpen, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's also the school where you don't use the bullpen, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2007/08/09/sharks-vs-piranhas-part-i/#comment-85359</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third option is the Dusty Baker school -- ideally you don&#039;t want anyone on the bases, because that just clogs the basepaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third option is the Dusty Baker school -- ideally you don't want anyone on the bases, because that just clogs the basepaths.</p>
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		<title>By: SBG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twins run distribution, 2007

&lt;table border=1&gt;&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;
Runs&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Percentage&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;9.6%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;1&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10.5%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;8.8%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;18.4%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10.5%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;9.6%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;6.1%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;9.6%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;8&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;4.4%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.6%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr align=center&gt;&lt;td&gt;10+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;9.6%&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;

This is exactly what&#039;s happening.  Great post, GH.</description>
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Runs</td>
<td>Percentage</td>
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<tr align=center>
<td>0</td>
<td>9.6%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>1</td>
<td>10.5%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>2</td>
<td>8.8%</td>
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<tr align=center>
<td>3</td>
<td>18.4%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>4</td>
<td>10.5%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>5</td>
<td>9.6%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>6</td>
<td>6.1%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>7</td>
<td>9.6%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>8</td>
<td>4.4%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>9</td>
<td>2.6%</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>10+</td>
<td>9.6%</td>
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<p>This is exactly what's happening.  Great post, GH.</p>
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