Sharks vs. Piranhas Part II
August 12th, 2007 by GreekHouse
For any of you who have not yet read part I of the story, I recommend reading it first. I won't bother to reintroduct the two teams here, so you will need to at least look at part I before reading this. I had intended to include slumps in part 2, but in an effort to keep this a reasonable length, I will make that part 3 of this article. There is still plenty here for discussion!
As mentioned in part I of the article, the Sharks will win 54% of the time. This includes winning 48% of the time without going to extra innings. A little over 10% of the games will be tied at the end of 9 innings and go into extra innings. Conventional wisdom would suggest here that the Piranhas would hold a slight edge in these extra inning games due to their non-reliance on the long ball. Not so! If you understand the basic concepts from part I, it should be clear that the Sharks will hold an edge here as well. Not only do they hold the edge in extra innings, but they will win a whopping 60% of extra inning games! The Piranha's problem is exacerbated here. Their distribution of runs is even worse since they still are scoring too many of their runs in bunches. The Sharks will fail to score in about 63% of all inning. So as you might expect, we would prefer to score a single run at the expense of having bigger innings. The Piranhas will fail to score in about 75% of all innings. Because of this difference, the Sharks will have a dominant edge in extra inning games.
But these are Piranhas after all, what if they decide to start playing some small ball? Unfortunately, they never double, so hitting a leadoff double and bunting the runner to third is out of the question. The only strategical decision they can make is to try and bunt the runner over to second after a leadoff single. Let's say that the Piranhas adopt the strategy of bunting the runner over after a leadoff single and because they're proficient at bunting, they will be able to move the runner to second this way with a 90% success rate. Further, we will assume that when they fail, they will fail in the best way possible--by ending up with a runner still at first and 1 out. We will ignore the minute possibility of a bunt single since the Sharks will be expect a bunt in this spot and ignore the possibility of a double play because of the Piranha's speed.
It turns out this is a reasonable strategy for the Piranhas, but it's not good enough. This will drop the Shark's winning percentage from 60% to just under 58%. It is also worth noting that this strategy reduces the Piranha's run expectation from 4.5 R/9 to 4.0 R/9--making it a terrible early game strategy. What the Piranha's are able to do with this strategy is to smooth their distribution of runs slightly at the expense of overall expectation. The most consistent way to score runs however is by simply hitting the ball over the fence.
The key point to be made here is that the Sharks are playing baseball in a way that optimizes their distribution of runs scored. In extra innings, we really only need to score one run to win and the Sharks are playing baseball in a way that maximizes the ability to do so. Now consider any other team that scores 4.5 R/9. If the team does not score 100% of it's runs off of home runs, it will occasionally leave runners on base. Because they are leaving runners on base, they will have to compensate by having more high scoring runs than the Sharks. Thus, it doesn't matter what a team does. If it is not scoring 100% of its runs on home runs, it can never perform as efficiently as the Sharks and will never be able to win more than 50% of the games against them. This applies not only to sacrifices, but to extra base hits, stolen bases, or anything else you can think of that do not increase overall run expectation.
It is possible to come up with a distribution that can beat the Sharks. One such distribution would be a team that scores either 0 or 1 runs per inning each with a 50% probability (we'll call this an ideal team). However, such a distribution is outside of the bounds of what is possible in a baseball game. The Sharks distribution is optimal in this sense. The worst possible distribution that a team could have would be if it generated all its runs from walks. They would need 4 walks in an inning before they started scoring runs. This is the theoretically worst distribution since it maximizes the number of runners left on base (although in practice this team would be very good at wearing down the opposition's pitching staff).
Below are some tables of how the different teams match up. (Percentages listed are the winning percentages of the teams on top)
| 9 Inning Game | Ideal | Sharks | Doublers | Piranhas | Piranhas(Bunting) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sharks | 54% | ||||
| Doublers | 55% | 53% | |||
| Piranhas | 57% | 54% | 52% | ||
| Piranhas(Bunting) | 62% | 59% | 55% | 54% | |
| Walkers | 58% | 55% | 53% | 51% | 49% |
| 1 Inning Game (Extra Innings) | Ideal | Sharks | Doublers | Piranhas | Piranhas(Bunting) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sharks | 57% | ||||
| Doublers | 60% | 59% | |||
| Piranhas | 66% | 60% | 54% | ||
| Piranhas(Bunting) | 65% | 57% | 52% | 48% | |
| Walkers | 69% | 62% | 57% | 53% | 55% |
All teams (with the exception of the bunting piranhas) average 4.5 R/9. The results are exactly as you would expect. The teams that leave fewer runners on base do better. The bunting piranhas tend to do slightly better in single inning (extra inning) contests due to their ability to sacrifice some run expectation in exchange for a flatter distribution, but they get killed in 9 inning games for the same reason.
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ubelmann replied on August 13, 2007 at 12:51:28 am
Great work again, GreekHouse.
So, for the bunting piranhas, it only makes sense that they'd get beaten by everyone else in 9 inning games, since they only score 4.0 R/G. Depending on how you are simulating this, this could be easy or hard to answer, but I'm curious: how good would the bunting piranhas be if they had a dynamic strategy?
From what I recall, playing for one run is best in the late innings (say 7th inning and on) when you are down by one run, tied, or ahead by one run. (From what I recall from Baseball Between The Numbers the last situation--ahead by one run--is actually a really good place to play for one run, which surprised me somewhat.) So I would be curious to see how much bunting helped the piranhas if they did it situationally, which is probably what gives them the best chance to win.
GreekHouse replied on August 13, 2007 at 12:56:42 pm
how good would the bunting piranhas be if they had a dynamic strategy?
I was wondering this too. I tried to work on this problem a bit, but haven't come up with a good way to attack it yet. No matter what they do, they can still not win more than 50% of the games (since the sharks distribution is optimal). I tried to do some stuff that gave me an upper bound on the piranhas win percentage, but then decided that I was making unreasonable assumptions. You should be able to compute the probabilities directly but it might become extremely cumbersome. I think you'd need to do simulations to really get an idea of this. My guess is that a dynamic strategy for the Piranhas would win about 47-48% of the time.
drake33 replied on August 13, 2007 at 1:38:38 am
This is fantastic. I can't wait for part III.
Moss replied on August 13, 2007 at 8:22:49 am
Moss has always thought that offense goes along with the ability to hit doubles, with homers being a nice by-product of the ability to hit doubles. A high walk rate mixed in will also increase scoring quite a lot.
As we are clearly seeing, the singles-hitting offense is very poor...and the Twinkies don't hit anywhere near the .360 required to get to 4.5 runs/game with just singles. (Of course, no team, or even player, hits homers at the rate required to get to 4.5/game, so obviously the model is extreme.)
Moss'll second the kudos on the great work, GreekHouse!
Moss has a point relating to Part I, also. Does the results of Part I indicate that the Bert Blyleven pitching mantra, i.e., lots of solo homers won't hurt a pitcher, is flawed? Wouldn't Part I indicate that a pitcher is OK giving up lots of singles, as long as they don't allow lots of extra-base hits? This is probably best modeled with extreme GB pitchers, who are normally very successful. Any thoughts??
ubelmann replied on August 13, 2007 at 12:00:07 pm
Moss has a point relating to Part I, also. Does the results of Part I indicate that the Bert Blyleven pitching mantra, i.e., lots of solo homers won’t hurt a pitcher, is flawed?
I think it's a little tough to relate the two situations. From what I can understand of the Blyleven/Schilling school of thought, the idea is that with no one on base, you'd rather challenge a hitter than allow a walk. A side effect of this is that you'll allow more home runs, but the pitcher certainly isn't trying to induce a home run. The choice is between risking contact and risking a walk, which isn't quite the same as choosing between allowing extra base hits and singles/walks--it depends a lot on how much you're increasing the risk of extra base hits and how much you're reducing the chance of a walk. (It also seems like the cost of a walk would be a lot different on a team that has only piranhas compared to the cost of a walk against a team that can hit a home run.) It also assumes that the pitcher has a degree of control over when he will allow home runs and when he will allow walks. If that's true, then it seems unlikely he would risk allowing a home run in a one-run or tied game.
Wouldn’t Part I indicate that a pitcher is OK giving up lots of singles, as long as they don’t allow lots of extra-base hits? This is probably best modeled with extreme GB pitchers, who are normally very successful. Any thoughts??
I do think this study provides a good reason to choose ground ball pitchers over fly ball pitchers--all else being equal.
SideshowTootie replied on August 13, 2007 at 12:53:49 pm
Hasty-overgeneralization warning:
Yes, but don't flyball pitchers (generally) have higher strike-out rates?
*goes to work plotting
SideshowTootie replied on August 13, 2007 at 1:01:24 pm
According to THT (plotting GB% vs. K/game) there is a downward trend in strikeouts and GB% goes up. However, I'm using a knockoff office suite that doesn't have a great spreadsheet, so I can't elaborate much more than that.
ubelmann replied on August 13, 2007 at 4:09:23 pm
OpenOffice?
brianS replied on August 13, 2007 at 6:29:23 pm
I like the writer a lot. haven't really used the other parts of the suite yet. but I've heard whines and complaints about the spreadsheet program in OOo.
SideshowTootie replied on August 13, 2007 at 7:26:48 pm
Yeah, the writer is fine. The spreadsheet functions, in a sense, but I don't even think I can get a regression equation on a graph.
brianS replied on August 13, 2007 at 7:25:55 pm
I'm looking at the 2007 AL THT pitching data (imported into OOo Calc, cleaned up, then into STATA). Unless I did something wrong, GB% and K/game are only weakly, negatively correlated with one another (the pairwise correlation is -0.12 with a significance level of 0.0542 for 244 AL pitchers with 10+ innings pitched so far in 2007).
SideshowTootie replied on August 14, 2007 at 12:47:14 am
I was just looking at AL/NL qualifying starters, so who knows. I dunno if using relievers with few innings makes a lot of sense, though, unless you weighted them somehow.
ubelmann replied on August 13, 2007 at 4:07:46 pm
That's why I included the "all else being equal" qualifier.
SideshowTootie replied on August 13, 2007 at 7:25:53 pm
Touche. Just saying all else usually isn't.
GreekHouse replied on August 13, 2007 at 1:19:32 pm
Moss has always thought that offense goes along with the ability to hit doubles, with homers being a nice by-product of the ability to hit doubles. A high walk rate mixed in will also increase scoring quite a lot.
The whole idea is to strand as few base runners as possible. A team that hits a lot of doubles (i.e. the Doublers) will do a much better job of this than the Piranhas. In practice, it's very difficult to find enough hitters that hit home runs enough to stack a line up, but good doubles hitters are more common. A high walk rate is usually indicative of a patient approach to hitting. Part of the reason we want this is not just because they're getting on base through walks, it means that they're waiting for better pitches to hit. I disagree with having good hitters auto-take a pitch on 3-0 for this reason. If the pitcher is going to throw it right down the middle, you should get ready to whack it. Furthermore, if the pitcher knows that you're sitting on a fastball right down the middle, it will force him to be a little more careful in what he throws and increase the chances that you walk on 3-0.
Moss has a point relating to Part I, also. Does the results of Part I indicate that the Bert Blyleven pitching mantra, i.e., lots of solo homers won’t hurt a pitcher, is flawed? Wouldn’t Part I indicate that a pitcher is OK giving up lots of singles, as long as they don’t allow lots of extra-base hits? This is probably best modeled with extreme GB pitchers, who are normally very successful. Any thoughts??
I think Blyleven's mantra is based on the fact that even if you throw a fastball right down the middle, hitters won't be able to hit solo home runs enough to really hurt you. Obviously though, any time you give up a run as a pitcher it hurts you. I think his main point is to try and stay aggressive and dictate the game rather than to become passive and let the hitters affect you too much. If you consider particular game situations such as 2 out and nobody on base, you can give up a lot of walks to equal the value of a single solo home run.
I would tend to believe that GB pitchers should be better than fly ball pitchers since they will not only give up fewer HRs, but fewer extra base hits as well. Typically, most flyball pitchers have to also be good strikeout pitchers to make up for this.
E-6 replied on August 13, 2007 at 9:04:01 am
Piranhas(Bunting)
*a tear rolls down cheek*
SBG replied on August 13, 2007 at 9:31:07 am
Good stuff. Thanks for posting this.