Might I Interest You In Some Kool-Aid?
September 7th, 2007 by ubelmann
As everyone and their mothers have noted by now, Nick Punto's had a rough season.
I understand why LaVelle takes the Deer/Punto angle, but really, there's a huge difference between what Deer did in 1991 and what Punto's done in 2007. Because Deer did a better job of getting on base and hitting for power, he finished the season about four or five runs below replacement level. As SBG has been diligently documenting, Punto is 28 runs below replacement level. That's roughly the difference between what Torii Hunter has done offensively this season and what Jason Bartlett has done offensively. (And for the record, to this point in the season, Bartlett's been worth roughly 46 more runs than Punto offensively. 46.)
"We talked to him about trying to do some things, bunting and stuff," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. "He's been so flustered with his swing he's gotten away from the best part of his game, which is the bunting part. He hasn't used that weapon this year because he's been trying to figure out his swing."
Bunting. Strikes fear in the hearts of pitchers everywhere. Over at fangraphs.com we can see that Punto's had 7 bunt hits last year, and he has 8 bunt hits this year. Punto had 459 AB last year and 414 AB so far this year. As hard as it might be to believe, Punto actually has been getting bunt hits more frequently this season than last season. The main problem is that bunt hits just aren't a big weapon in the first place.
Now, I've been saying for a long time now that Punto isn't really this bad, but at some point, you have to accept that a guy who is a career .243/.313/.318 hitter over 1,500+ PA and had a weak minor league track record just isn't cut out for a starting role, right? Right? RIGHT?
Punto's immediate goal is to make the most of September -- Gardenhire said Punto will not be benched -- then get to work on a hitting plan that he hopes will breed success in 2008.
Just remember, kids:
* WAR IS PEACE
* FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
* IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
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Scot replied on September 7, 2007 at 5:22:55 am
The fact that "2008" and "Nick Punto" were mentioned in the same sentence by the manager gives me a headache.
Rhubarb_Runner replied on September 7, 2007 at 6:39:14 am
I'd love to see a game where Gardy is ejected, and the bench coach immediately takes Punto out of the lineup. Because at this point, it seems the only way we're going to get our wish is if Gardy is canned. Which, I guess, makes TWO wishes fulfilled.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 7:29:57 am
Excellent work, ubelmann. Way to put the lie to the Gardy propaganda about bunting. Punto's problem isn't bunting, although he sucks at that (at least the sacrificing kind) it's popping up all the time. It's working counts until he's in a hole. In short, it's hitting.
Sometimes I think to myself -- man why pick on Punto, he's such an easy mark. And, to be sure, it's not Nick Punto I'm picking on as much as it's the decision by management to install Nick Punto into the lineup every day.
Nick Punto will not be benched. -30, here we come.
ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:18:46 pm
Yeah, I don't really have anything against Punto, I just wish he'd be handled intelligently. This is basically the same situation that crops up repeatedly at U.S.S. Mariner regarding Willie Bloomquist whenever the media talk about how Willie needs more playing time.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 7:48:09 am
LENIII:
No, his defense is not spectacular. His numbers at 3B have improved so that he's in the top half of 3Bers in the AL in UZR. He's a lot better than Buscher and L-Rod, but that doesn't mean he's "spectacular". I'd say he's a good defensive third baseman. He's no Brooks Robinson, who was "spectacular".
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:12:04 am
I looked up Brooks Robinson and he had 230 FRAA in his career and 609 FRAR. That's spectacular. He had 12 seasons with at least 10 FRAA, including a career high 32. Punto has 7 FRAA for his career, including 3 this year. Three. Robinson's best season was ten times as good as that. Three is good. Thirty-two is spectacular.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 9:54:13 am
I have two "shame ons" for this article:
1.) There is a time (perhaps some would say many times) when Gardenhire should just say "puntos had a rough year" and the STFU.
2.) Shame on LEN3 - the better story is ''why organizationally are they so tied to Punto?" Was one season enough to warrant this much rope?
ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:17:07 pm
Here's what kills me: Even if Punto was the very best defensive 3B in the game--which he's not--he'd only be worth 20 runs above average with his glove over the course of a season. So even if you give him more credit than he deserves for his fielding, he's still been below replacement level overall.
And even if you accepted that he was someone like Mark Belanger, the Twins still aren't using him in an intelligent fashion.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:43:20 pm
It's back to the notion of increasing his chances for success by putting into sitations where he is likely to succeed. Lack of depth and the position-player level and gaping holes at 3rd base and DH esure that in '08 they won't have much chance of having a near-perfect roster. And it means that you're likely to see Punto, or a similar player put into a non-utility role which overexposes their considerable weaknesses. One issue is , after Casilla's performance so far, they are not going to hand him the 2nd base job out of spring training. They'll probably declare it an open competition between L-Rod, Punto and Casilla. Punto with his "veteran-ess" has the best in-house chance of winning that job in '08.
Ryan is stuck in the middle. He has too many good players on the roster to be considered a bad or a "youthful team", yet, he doesn't have enough solid players to be considered a threat.
Given this, you have to wonder why Ryan, knowing this season was in the toilet, didn't take all of his PR hits this season. Even if he didn't get fair market value, dumping Hunter at deadline, trading Santana, trading Silva, trading Castillo. He even should have flushed White when he couldn't come back. I've been working on this for OTG - but my theory is the new stadium screwed up his strategy as did the miracle run of '06.
The mirage of '06 made him think the current roster had the makings of a championship caliber team and the pedigree to self-correct. The timing of the stadium handcuffed the number of moves he could make (probably strategized by Twins Executive Managment and the PR saavy Dave St. Peter). Afterall, how do you trade Santana and Hunter the year after you've been to the playoffs and after the people have given you $300-400 million dollars. We'd understand here, but Joe Sixpack doesn't share the longview.
In a normal scenario, where the Twins were going to play in the dome, you just fire up the PR machine and start spinning the notion you are committed to the idea of fielding an exciting team and a brand of baseball which is very enjoyable. The salary dump more than offsets the lower ticket revenue and if you do your job, you're a serious contender again by 2010.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:55:04 pm
I'm on board with you. I would have shit canned this season and listened to the rubes howl in 2007 and put the plan in place for 2008-10. I just wish I would have said it around the trading deadline. Oh wait. I did.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 1:43:33 pm
You're supposed to link to it, man. Don't you know the rules?
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:04:30 pm
Here you go.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:12:24 pm
I remember now....good stuff.
frightwig replied on September 7, 2007 at 1:49:56 pm
I suspect that TR may have pulled back from a couple-few deals at the deadline because, in the last week of July, the Indians and Tigers were playing poorly and the Twins had suddenly slipped within striking distance of either the division or wild card lead. (On 7/31, the Twins were 55-51, 6 games out in the Central, 5 games back in the wild card chase.) Memories of last year are still fresh, of course, but the Twins also had a "miracle run" down the stretch in 2003. I didn't feel so optimistic about this team pulling off another run, but then I was pessimistic to the end about last year's team, too.
I guess I can't blame TR if he either believed his team had a chance, or he was just afraid to take the heat for waving the white flag when the public and his own players believed they still had a chance. I just wish he hadn't taken the half-assed approach, or at least might have received a better return for Luis Castillo. As it happened, he got grief for dumping Castillo without adding any hitters to his lineup, anyway, and for what? He should have chosen either to be a seller, and brought in some quality prospects for the future, or a buyer, and plugged some holes in the current lineup.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:03:07 pm
I haven't seen too much written about this, but does anyone know:
a.) Is Ryan considered to be an easy trading partner by other clubs or a pain in the arse?
b.) Is Ryan's ability to trade harder because of his success - meaning as soon as the Twins identify one of your prospects the price (automatically) goes up. Nobody wants to be "Terry Ryan-ed"
c.) The rest of the leagie has his number - they know his system is limited financially and weak on position players and they are exerting too much leverage for Ryan to feel comfortable making a deal.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:05:34 pm
There was a time when Ryan was a stooge. Does the name Scott Klingenbeck ring a bell?
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:09:58 pm
The era was mentioned in my research. I think it was Will's article from 2003.
Rhubarb_Runner replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:35:56 pm
Was Ryan really a stooge? Or did he have poor scouting help at that time? I really doubt Ryan does anything entirely on his own.
Banjo replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:39:12 pm
I believe Mike Radcliffe has been director of scouting (hired by Ryan) since Ryan's tenure. Ryan was the chief scout prior to that. I believe they did retire some older scouts when McPhail left.
frightwig replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:51:30 pm
No, his defense is not spectacular. His numbers at 3B have improved so that he’s in the top half of 3Bers in the AL in UZR. He’s a lot better than Buscher and L-Rod, but that doesn’t mean he’s “spectacular”. I’d say he’s a good defensive third baseman. He’s no Brooks Robinson, who was “spectacular”.
I expect it from most fans, but it makes me sad to see "professional baseball men" confuse flashy plays with outstanding general defensive play.
Moss replied on September 7, 2007 at 7:58:37 am
While many middle-aged men have reluctantly become accustomed to doing self-exams for a certain type of cancer, Gardenhire has enthusiastically mastered the art of doing self-examinations for colo-rectal cancer. Way to go -- "Ron, you're the best."
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:02:18 am
... mastered the art of doing visual self-examinations ...
There, fixed that for you.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:15:25 am
works either way, SBG. Either way.
thisisbeth replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:10:39 am
Just to throw it in there because, meh, I feel like it. Punto had 10 sacrifice hits last year (i.e., bunts), whereas he's only had 5 this year. And I know he's tried a *lot* more than five times this year. I assume therapy in the off-season will result in an eventual failure to remember the number of pop-up bunts.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:21:30 am
Yes, he's been terrible at sacrifice bunting. No doubt about that. He might be the worst sacrifice bunter among all people who actually are asked to do it on a regular basis in all of the major leagues this year.
The quote was, though, that he "hasn't used that weapon this year", which I think means specifically bunting for hits and that is demonstrably false. More bunt hits than last year. Fewer sacrifices, but I'll bet the same number of attempts. I'll buy this: "he hasn't used that weapon effectively", which could be said about all aspects of his offensive game. I think you are not disputing that, but maybe just adding a little fuel to the pyre, so to speak.
By the way, throw out those 8 bunt hits (and the eight at bats) and Punto is hitting .182. Cover your eyes, boys and girls.
E-6 replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:46:02 am
Gardy referring to Punto's bunting expertise as "a weapon" slays me. Like a shiv made from butter.
Top shelf analysis wrapped in a delicious snark coating. Well played, Ubes.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:52:48 am
Here's even more of the lie:
Last year, when Punto bunted for a hit, he was 7-26, a .269 BA, which is lower than his .290 average. His attempted to bunt for a hit 5.66% of his at bats.
This year, when Punto has bunted for a hit, he is 8-18, a .444 BA. So actually, he's been better bunting for a hit this year than he has last year. And 18 attempts is 4.35% of his at bats, not much difference. If he gets the same number of at bats this year, at this rate he'll have 20 attempts, only six fewer attempts, or just over one attempt per 100 at bats.
StatFreak101 replied on September 7, 2007 at 9:46:51 am
This is utterly ridiculous.
Gardenfool is a complete moron. Why does this guy have such job security?
To come out and say that he will not bench Punto for the remainder of the season shows just a glimpse of what is wrong with this organization. I don't give two shits what Punto did in 2006...he's reverted back to his career norms this year, which is the player most intelligent people should expect him to be. But for some reason, the manager and GM of this organization feel it's necessary to continue to give him everyday AB's, which in essence is hurting the present and future of this ball club.
Good stuff though Ubel.
mini_tb replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:15:39 am
Here are is numbers by half this year.
.211 -.313 -.272
.170 -.228 -.215
Can he really be that bad?
I don't know about you guys, but I think Punto is due for a big consolidation year in 2008. You know... one where he hits nearly .230/.300./.300 over 450+ ABs at 3B and 2B. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
twayn replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:37:16 am
It makes sense that Punto would try to bunt for hits more this year than last year. Even Mickey Mantle was known to drag one for a hit when he was in a wicked slump, and Nicky is in the mother of all slumps this year (I know, at some point you just can't call it a slump anymore). But it is just unfathomable that they continue to trot him out there every day. Since Ubelmann went with the Animal Farm allusions today, I want to point out how fitting this excerpt is when considered in the context of the Twins:
twayn replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:43:50 am
Uh, mea culpa. Ubes alluded to 1984, not Animal Farm. Must discontinue visual colo-rectal self-examinations.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:47:19 am
Big Brother is watching you. From the farmhouse. With the pigs.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:49:56 am
Or was it in the study with the lead pipe?
E-6 replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:16:41 am
All animals are created equal. Some are more equal than others.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:47:27 am
Whew. You were in danger of being sent to Room 101, where Nick Punto would be teaching you how to bunt.
twayn replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:07:17 am
A fate worse than unpersonhood.
E-6 replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:20:33 am
Nothing a glass of "Victory Gin" won't cure.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:23:59 am
It comes in glasses too?
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:51:40 am
I actually own this DVD. Gotta love the $1 bin at Walmart. Sayyyy, do you suppose they have third basemen too?
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:45:48 am
Animal Farm???
Double-plus ungood, twayn.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:49:07 am
Kubel!
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:53:07 am
Kubel!Snowball!twayn replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:11:03 am
If Kubel=Snowball, then Punto=Boxer: "I will work harder!"
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:15:24 am
And Torii's most definitely a pig, living in the Gardenhire house.
Beau replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:38:01 pm
Four legs good, Punto baaaaaaaad!
drake33 replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:48:16 am
At this point Gardy's been given the directive to "tank". Hence Punto gets to finish the year.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:49:03 am
yea, so they can improve their odds in the lottery. Or at least not have to give up their first-round pick to the Celtics.
GreekHouse replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:14:19 am
Can you really blame them though? I mean, what are the odds that there will be a slap-hitting speedster available after the first half of the first round?
Also, I for one am pulling for Punto. He's on the verge of a historical season and I think he needs our support and encouragement in his chase for a -30 VORP.
mini_tb replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:53:10 am
Can we buy out Punto's contract ala the Wolves buying out T-Hud? I'll throw in $5!
Rhubarb_Runner replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:41:08 pm
I'm hoping against hope that Punto is suspended for a performance enhancing drug. The irony of which would kill me from laughter.
ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:53:37 pm
Hey, it worked for the Tigers and Neifi Perez.
Whiffers replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:03:23 am
This is a coaching staff that has repeatedly ignored solid-to-great minor league results (Bartlett, Cuddyer, Kubel, even Morneau) when jerking around young players the second they show any sign of struggling.
Yet they absolutely will not let go of a needle-in-a-haystack season from a career utility player with absolutely no track record of being an average (at best) offensive season.
I'm just surprised we haven't had a return of the "combined RBI" stat they liked to use with Mientkiewicz. Punto might only knock in 40 runs, but he's saved another 40 with his glove.
This season is O-V-E-R. We know Punto sucks this year and will likely suck in the future. What the hell does this team have in Casilla and Buscher? We won't find out until next year, maybe ever for Buscher (and he's a huge suspect) since L-Rod and Punto will likely continue to suck up at bats.
With the current state of the front office and coaching staff, the dark ages are threatening to return just in time for the new stadium.
Jeff A replied on September 7, 2007 at 1:05:35 pm
Even if you think Punto is better than he's played this year, there is still no point to playing him every day the rest of the season. He's obviously working hard, so it's not like putting in more work is going to make him better this year. It's not like he's going to lose confidence if you bench him, because A) how much confidence can he have any more, and B) if he does have confidence, it obviously isn't doing him any good.
As I've said before, Punto clearly knows that he's stunk it up offensively this year. Letting him stink for three more weeks isn't going to change anything. In fact, it might have been the best thing for him had they given him a week or so off earlier in the year and let him clear his head. Playing him every day when he knows he isn't getting the job done just increases the pressure on him and makes things even worse.
I don't know that any of the rookies---Casilla, Buscher, Jones, Morales, etc.---are going to be any good. Maybe they'll all wash out. But when we have no chance to win anything this year anyway, why not use September to try to find out? Why give at-bats to Punto, L-Rod, White, and Tyner? That's the part that's frustrating about this.
frightwig replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:42:19 pm
This gets me feeling that even if TR/Gardy don't plan to use Punto as the regular 3B next season, they may already be thinking that he'll be the placeholder at 2B while Casilla works on his game and leadership abilities at Rochester next spring.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 12:50:23 pm
And stops the service clock.
sheenie replied on September 7, 2007 at 2:38:35 pm
I'm looking for a little self-sacrifice from Punto now. Pull yourself off the lineup and take your money and sit on the bench. Punto is doing nothing for the morale of the Twins fans. I'm just hoping that TR and Gardy decide to pull a Rivas on Punto next year and pay him to play in Rochester.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 3:36:48 pm
thank you, sheenie. I've long wondered why TR hasn't had the guts to send Punto down to Rochester -- forcing him to choose between forfeiting his guaranteed salary for free agency and accepting the demotion.
frightwig replied on September 7, 2007 at 5:18:10 pm
I don't think that Punto has the service time to grant him the right of refusing an assignment to the minors; but, if he has that right, he wouldn't have to forfeit his salary if he exercised it. The Twins would still have to pay what he's owed in his contract even after releasing him.
This season, I believe the only obstacle to sending Punto to the minors was that he'd have to clear waivers because he's out of options. That may have been no problem, or at least no big deal if another team wanted to claim him, but then the club possibly would've been paying the guy $4m over 2 years to play in Rochester while the in-house alternatives on the major league roster haven't exactly been turning heads, either.
To be free of Punto and his contract, TR needs to trade him.
Rhubarb_Runner replied on September 7, 2007 at 6:31:51 pm
Krivsky would claim him off waivers in a heartbeat.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 6:34:48 pm
Huh. That doesn't fit with the Bobby Kielty story -- he refused the assignment, leading to his release and forfeiture of his salary. So what's different? Or am I missing part of the story?
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 6:44:44 pm
here's the link on the Kielty story.
so, I got it half right. If they'd demoted him, his service time would have allowed him to decline the assignment and forfeit the remainder of his contract.
If Punto doesn't yet have 5+ years of service time, he must be awfully close. He was with the Phillies all but a month of 2003 and (I think) almost all of 2004 (plus cups of coffee in 2001 and 2002).
frightwig replied on September 7, 2007 at 8:09:15 pm
So, either Rob Neyer's Transactions Primer is wrong, the beat writer at the San Francisco Chronicle is misinformed, or Kielty would have faced that choice because he didn't have enough service time to qualify for the right to refuse assignment to the minors.
This is Neyer's note on the rights of "Veteran Players":
I trust that Neyer is correct. Otherwise, teams could get out of bad, expensive contracts all the time by threatening to bury a guy in the minors unless he agreed to cancel his deal. You know Steinbrenner would have done it at least once, if he could. But when the baseball player's union talks about guaranteed contracts, they mean guaranteed contracts.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 9:57:07 pm
makes sense. mebbe kielty thought he was short of the 5 years of service time threshhold. or mebbe he actually was a few days short.
mini_tb replied on September 7, 2007 at 3:39:39 pm
If we didn't have Punto to bitch about, we'd probably be bitching about Joe Mauer and his fake injuries. I miss the good old days when Nick Punto had a hard time staying in the lineup because he always had some kind of nagging injury.
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 3:58:46 pm
Those were the days.
freealonzo replied on September 7, 2007 at 4:26:50 pm
This is great analysis but it's also preaching to the choir. How can we get the average rube to realize that Punto sucks? Over the past few months I've been asking baseball fans that I know what they think of Punto. Amazingly they all love him! Now my parents are big Twins fans, but not very sophisticated ones, they're probably being influenced by dicknbert. As I'm sure many others are too. But other people I asked who "know" baseball, shouldn't be swayed by the Little Nicky Punto crap and they feel the same way.
I think if there was a public level of disgust toward Punto as is found on this blog (rightfuly btw), Gardy wouldn't be so hot to keep on trotting him out there everyday. So where do we start?
SBG replied on September 7, 2007 at 4:34:03 pm
I think we should start by handing out SBG Nation flyers at all home games.
twayn replied on September 7, 2007 at 5:28:48 pm
For Immediate Release
SBG NATION LAUNCHES INITIATIVE TO OUST PUNTO FROM LINEUP
MINNEAPOLIS, September 10, 2007 -- SBG Nation™, home of the World’s Greatest Online Magazine®, today announced a wide-ranging public education initiative designed to enlighten Minnesota Twins fans about the menace posed by the continued playing time granted to infielder Nick Punto. In the first year of a two-year, $4.2 million contract, Punto currently sports a batting average (BA) of just .198, two points below the legendary Mendoza Line, with just one home run (HR) and 22 runs batted in (RBI) on the season. Punto ranks last or near last in the major leagues in virtually every significant offensive category, with an appalling .286 on base percentage (OBP) and a laughable .254 slugging percentage (SLG). His value over replacement player (VORP) rating of -28 is the worst in the major leagues this season, and the third worst in the history of major league baseball.
"Most fans, upon leaving the Metrodome following a home game, assume that the high-velocity wind blowing through the exit doors is caused by an air pressure differential between the inside and outside of the building," said Stick and Ball Guy, chief administrator and founder of SBG Nation. "But those blustery gales are, in fact, the residual effects of the massive sucking that occurs every time Nick Punto steps into the batter's box. For the sake of the fans, the team, and Nick Punto himself, we are calling upon Twins Manager Ron Gardenhire to cease and desist from writing Punto's name as a starting position player on the lineup card for the remainder of the season, and to relegate him to his intended role as a backup utility infielder for the remaining duration of his contract."
E-6 replied on September 7, 2007 at 5:56:33 pm
Now that's a scoop. (And several nice digs, to boot.)

brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 6:20:07 pm
I'm sure others could improve upon this:
No More Nicky
ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 7:04:32 pm
Now there's a press release I can get behind.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 5:04:19 pm
I blame Batgirl.

ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 7:11:06 pm
How can we get the average rube to realize that Punto sucks?
Interesting you should mention that. Most casual fans I've heard from recently think Punto has been awful, too. I mean, by every measure--conventional or otherwise--he's been really pretty pitiful at the plate this year. The power of the team's ministry of information is great, though, so I'm not all that surprised that there are fans out there who just can't get enough Punto. I know he's my pick to click.
brianS replied on September 7, 2007 at 9:58:52 pm
it's a lot easier to be objective about the suckitude of other teams' dreck. I'm guessing you were talking to people in seattle???
ubelmann replied on September 7, 2007 at 11:44:43 pm
No, I was talking to people living in Minnesota.
sheenie replied on September 7, 2007 at 10:44:34 pm
I'm completely behind the "Press Release." I know that Batgirl's website reached the clubhouse on a daily basis ... maybe this will too? Or a girl can dream, right?