T-Wolves at the 1/4 Pole

December 19th, 2007 by SBG

GreekHouse and I had a little conversation over the past few days regarding the Timberwolves at about the quarter point of the season.

SBG: Well, we are just a little bit through the quarter mark of the season, and the Wolves are 3-18 (now 3-20). I guess I'm a little surprised at that record. I thought they'd be better than that, but here we are -- on pace for 12 wins. No, they won't lose 70 games, and the point of this season isn't really wins, but still, it's kind of tough to see them lose pretty much every night. GH, what are your early impressions of this season?

GH: When it comes to a team that is expected to win as infrequently as the Wolves, variance can play a large part in coloring your perception of the team. After 21 games, most people would have expected us to be 5-16 or 6-15. The Wolves lost on a buzzer beater in Atlanta and have had a number of other close calls. If the Wolves have a couple of things go just a little differently, all of a sudden we're right where you'd expect us to be. For the most part, the Wolves have been competitive in their games, although there have been a handful of games where they've looked like they would have lost to a D-League team.

If I were to give the team a grade so far, I'd have to say Incomplete. The Wolves have been without Foye so far, and I expect him to be a big part of our future. I think the Wolves will look a lot different with him in the lineup. Recently, I've been pleased that a lot of our young guys seem to have grown a lot--even since the season began.

SBG: When a team trades a franchise player like KG, it very rarely "wins" that type of trade in the NBA. That's simply because one player like KG is much more valuable than five pretty good players. I recently read Top Jimmy and he said the trade was good because of BigAlJefferson and the picks. "The Picks" are the pick that the Wolves lost in the previous Celtic trade (which wouldn't have been going to the C's until at least 2010) and the other was not the Celtics pick in 2008. So, no real help is coming from those picks -- one is off in the distance so far and the other is probably a late (very late) first rounder. Still though, BigAlJefferson seems to be enough to say that this trade isn't a complete embarrassment. Sure, he's not KG or even KG at 22, but he's a real player in this league. He's already, in my estimation, the greatest post player in team history. What are your thoughts about BAJ and the KG trade? I know that you like Telfair, too.

GH: It was pretty clear that the Wolves weren't going to be able to win with KG, so I view the trade as a necessity. The nice thing about having Garnett is that trading him will help strengthen and accelerate our rebuilding phase. Compare the Wolves to a team like the Knicks. The Knicks seem to always be in "we want to win now" mode. Then they go out and suck and try to improve by overpaying another mediocre free agent. This will go on for them until they decide to start over and start losing their big contracts. When (if) they do this, they will have very little to work with and will basically have to start from scratch. If you think the Wolves are bad this year, wait until the Knicks do this! By contrast, the Wolves got 4 prospects (and some cap space) to help them restart. If would be naive to assume that all 4 of these players will turn into stars or even league-average players, but if 2 or 3 of them turn into decent players, we've done alright. Jefferson looks like the sure thing/future superstar/franchise player that we wanted to get out of the deal, Telfair looks like a passable player and Gomes could be a key role player. So right now, I think the trade is looking ok. The draft picks may be a few years off, but hopefully the Wolves will be a good team by then and the picks will help keep them good and fill any holes they have in the roster. Of course, with a team like this, things could change dramatically and I wouldn't want to judge too much just based on 21 games. I think the rest of the season will give us a better idea of which of these kids will step up and which will go down as footnotes in NBA history. Looking forward, what do you hope to see out of the Wolves by the time the season reaches the half way mark?

SBG: What I'd like to see from this team for the next twenty or so games is some of the young guys that are showing promise to get established minutes and develop their games. Craig Smith had another brilliant offensive game against Milwaukee on Saturday night and he played 31 minutes. He only got 20 minutes (and three points) the night before. On this team, he's shown enough that he needs to play a lot. That makes the front line pretty small -- Brewer, Smith, and BigAlJefferson is small, but so what? Smith yanked down 10 boards last night and BAJ had 15. Smith can play. If he drops about 10 pounds and adds a few feet to his jumper, he'll be a quality player for this team. I'd also like to see a better commitment to defense from this squad. I watched a play last night that just about drove me crazy. The Bucks ran a perimeter pick and roll and neither Wolves player took the guy with the ball. Instead, both players backed off and left the guy with the ball have an open 18 footer. Two points. That's just one play, but it's emblematic. The Wolves need to play defense better. That is learnable, that is coachable. I'm an Indiana guy from way back, but I'm not sold on Wittman. I wonder if he shouldn't stay home and convalesce his back for a while longer. I think I'd like to see Jerry Sichting coach about 20 games and find out. Also, I'd like to see the Wolves maintain the worst record in the league, even as they develop guys. Ping pong balls are the thing. Where are you on Wittman?

GH: I have a really hard time evaluating coaches, which is weird because I also consider basketball to be one of the sports where I think a good coach can make the most difference. Typically, I tend to look at team defense because I think it's better for evaluating coaches than team offense. A team can have one or two good players which dominate the offense and make it look good. Plus, most players tend to be more polished offensively than defensively when they get into the league. Defense is more of a team effort. Right now, the Wolves rank 29/30 in the league in defensive efficiency (ahead of only the poorly coached Knicks). However, the Wolves defense seems to be improving somewhat as they've allowed fewer than 100 points in 5 of the last 6 games. This could also be due to them slowing the pace, but I'll take it as a positive sign. It's not great team D, but it's moving in the right direction. The Wolves have also done a better job of not fouling. Over the first 11 games they were giving up 31.5 FTA, but over the last 11 games, that number has dropped to 25.0. These two things seem to suggest that the Wolves are at least moving in the right direction and so I'd say Witt is doing an ok job for now. I've read articles that say he and Sichting do a lot of communicating, so he's got the benefit of that as well. Mistakes like mishandling a pick and roll are common for a young team. With experience, they will hopefully stop making them. There are tons of small things like this that a young team should learn to do properly as they develop. Beyond that, they will need the current players to improve their skills and improve the team through free agency and drafting. What type of player would you like to see the Wolves draft? I've been a supporter of trying to get Derrick Rose, but Michael Beasley looks awfully good as well (and would be more likely to contribute immediately).

SBG: I'm not much of a college basketball fan and I haven't watched any games yet, but as the season progresses, I'll keep one eye on the top names on the board. The Wolves have drafted a pair of small shooting guards in McCants and Foye, so I definitely don't want that. I think the Wolves need a true point guard, so I'd be inclined to go after one, preferably someone with size, as Foye is pretty small for a 2. If Bill Walton is available, I'd go for him, too. The Wolves' needs are so great that I'd basically take the best player available, even if he's a power forward. The only caveat is that I'd shy away from a 2. With Foye, McCants, and Jaric, there's plenty of players there. Any last thoughts before we wrap this thing up?

GH: I don't follow much college ball either, but I've kept my on the prospects a little bit more this year with the situation that the Wolves are in. I would expect the Wolves to get the majority of their wins between the half-way and three-quarter marks of the season. By then, Foye will be healthy and the Wolves should be coming into their own a bit. In the last quarter of the season, we might see them start to tank a bit and in the next 20 games they won't be quite as good. I'm going to guess that the Wolves will be at 8 or 9 wins by the time we do this again at game 41.



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Whiffers replied on December 19, 2007 at 10:39:42 am

I really like this format and the work you guys are putting into the Wolves. I've probably spent more time reading these posts than I have watching the team.

Most of my concerns with this team are defensive and coaching, which are somewhat related, IMO. From what I've read, BigAl is weak defensively, McCants doesn't seem interested in defense, and I'm not sure how Foye matches up against 1 or 2 guards.

Re: Wittman - have either of you noticed a willingness to try different things? In my limited viewing, the team seems very traditional and vanilla, but I could be way off here. I want to give the guy some slack since he's a Hoosier and even went to my high school, but so far he's been very unimpressive.

 
E-6 replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:29:56 am

Not a Wittman guy, either. The Woofs are 15-49 (and sinking fast) with him at the helm. Conversely, ex-coach Dwayne Casey had a 53-69 record and the team was 20-20 when he was fired. Granted, there have been huge changes to the roster, but I still think Casey got a raw deal. Hell, Crunch could've coached these guys to 3 wins. The Lone Iron Ranger was quoted in a recent profile that it's not his style "to throw people under the bus." Uh, OK. McHale said at the news conference to announce that coaching change,

"We were at a point as a team where we were just treading water. The ups and downs, we just couldn't find any consistency."

They've since found that consistency. They consistently suck.

I agree with Whiffers that you two are doing a swell job. Too bad you don't have an NBA team to cover.

brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 1:21:36 pm

Casey got a raw deal, but in a sense they did him a favor.

hey, Rick Carlisle needs a job!

 
 
JP replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:53:40 am

I'm going to reserve my judgment on Wittman until later in the season, there was alot of turnover this season, Foye hasn't played... If we are still losing so many games in the forth quarter at the end of the season, or at least not making any progress, I think Wittman has to shoulder alot of the blame for that.

I was wondering, we still owe someone a first round pick (Clippers??), under what circumstances do we lose that pick this year? And if not this year when do we have to give them that pick?

SBG replied on December 19, 2007 at 12:03:02 pm

That pick is top ten protected through 2011 and unprotected thereafter. The C's pick that we got back from them in the KG trade would have been two years after the Clips taking ours. So, about 2014. Big whoop on that pick being part of the deal. The other pick is 2009 Cs pick (top three protected). Again, if the Cs are a title contender next year that pick'll be in the late 20s.

brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 1:24:23 pm

it's never too early to start musing on who the Woofs might get in this year's lottery. Foye's injury (and Brewer's offensive ineptitude) definitely are helping set up a very high lottery pick.

so, who are the top 3 gonna be? We're gonna get one of those 3 guys with high probability, right?

brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 1:26:02 pm

and isn't OJ Mayo spelled "J-R R-I-D-E-R"??

GreekHouse replied on December 19, 2007 at 2:12:50 pm

http://www.nbadraft.net/ has good scouting reports on the top prospects for the next draft. #1 and #2 are Rose and Beasley, either of whom would be tremendous for this team. I'd lean towards Rose for a number of reasons. #3 is another 6-4 SG, which isn't as much help for the Wolves since they're already really deep there. #4 is the 7-footer DeAndre Jordan. The guy looks like a bit of a project, but having a solid defensive 5 to play next to Jefferson for years to come would be tremendous.

You can look at the Mock Drafts from the last few seasons there too. They gave Brewer an overall rating of 92 (and say "long arms" ad nauseam in his preview). By contrast, the #22 pick in this year's draft receives a 92 rating.

Mayo is rated at #10.

brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 6:36:57 pm

hoopshype.com has their own evaluations. They have Mayo first, Beasley second, Rose soon thereafter.

I don't recall how vehement I was in this space last year on Brewer, but I know that I complained strongly to my grad school buddies that he was being oversold precisely because he had no discernible offensive skills.

He may yet turn into a great player (haven't seen him in the flesh yet). But I'm not holding my breath just yet.

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Whiffers replied on December 19, 2007 at 2:02:06 pm

As an IU fan, I'm hoping Eric Gordon ends up on the Wolves. I'll gladly head to the Target Center a few times next year if he's on the team. So far, he's been a tremendous shooter and has a knack of getting to the hoop, he's almost unstoppable on a break with only one man between him and the basket. And it seems like the Wolves have needed someone who can get to the rim and draw fouls since...I can remember.

GreekHouse replied on December 19, 2007 at 2:45:58 pm

And here I just singled him out as one of the top players that the Wolves wouldn't want. Heh.

Whiffers replied on December 19, 2007 at 5:00:50 pm

I agree that he isn't the best fit, as long as they're convinced Foye and McCants are building blocks. Gordon >>> Foye or McCants, in my very biased opinion.

My job isn't dependent on the Wolves being good, so I just want players that actually interest me enough to turn on the game.

I really want to watch Kevin Love (UCLA), who I see they have at #19.

Speaking of McCants, it sounds like he's been really inconsistent. Any signs of his repaired knee bothering him?

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GreekHouse replied on December 19, 2007 at 6:05:48 pm

Physically, he looks ok to me. Who knows though. He fouls a ton (although he's always done that), but maybe limited mobility is hurting him there.

 
 
 
Andrew replied on December 20, 2007 at 8:04:37 am

Whiffers, SBG, and myself - The Hoosiers have quite the contingent on the WGOM

 
 
 
 
 
freealonzo replied on December 19, 2007 at 2:39:57 pm

I could have used a little more discussion on Corey Brewer. I thought it was the best guy at their slot but I've been disappointed. He's way too skinny for the NBA and sometimes seems clueless. Experience and the weight room will help but he's not the difference I thought he'd be.

Which brings me to my next point. Not to sound like Barriero but do we really trust the Wolves front office to make the right choices regarding draft picks, future trades, contract extensions, etc.? I don't. Who cares if the Wolves draft high in the next few years if the guys drafting have shown little acumen in acquiring players?

GreekHouse replied on December 19, 2007 at 3:04:26 pm

Yeah, it really turned into more of a general discussion about the team, and less about the specific players. I plan to write something up later this week where I evaluate every player on the team individually.

I mentioned at the end of the summer that the Wolves front office had done a good job after the KG trade in preparing to rebuild this franchise. I also noted that this was the easiest part of the rebuilding phase. They basically needed to get rid of as many bad contracts as possible and acquire as many young players/draft picks as possible. The hard part of the rebuilding phase is yet to come. I can totally see the Wolves ending up with the #3 pick in the draft and then picking someone who was projected to go in the late first round. Of course, with this draft it's kind of hard to go wrong, but the Wolves are going to be looking for someone who will be a star in this league and not just a good starter. I would also expect to see the Wolves go after at least one decent FA this offseason. Both Okafor and Biedrins will be restricted FAs and it would be nice to have a solid 5 next to Jefferson for years to come. Ideally, we could get one of them through free agency and draft Derrick Rose and we'd be in good shape to compete. However, I have no idea what those guys are thinking half of the time, so who knows how it will turn out?

SBG replied on December 19, 2007 at 3:21:00 pm

I should also note that we had hoped to conduct an ongoing e-mail exchange on Sat., but I had to fix the damned garage door opener. So, maybe it wasn't as focused and broad ranging as I would have liked. We'll do better next time!

 
brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 6:39:06 pm

oh, yes, this draft could easily go wrong at the 3rd spot. Two words: Roy Hibbert. For a black guy, he's a big, white stiff. Samuel Dalembert without the athleticism or speed.

 
 
 
davidwatts replied on December 19, 2007 at 3:55:14 pm

I have watched 1 full game, a couple partial games, and listened to a handful on the radio, so I can't add a lot of deep basketball knowledge here

But I will say, for the most part, the team stay competetive. A few games it seems like they were destined for a 30+ point loss and made a mad rally in the 4th to get it close and even take the lead, only to lose it. Maybe we will win those type of games toward the latter part of the season when our young guys mature a bit more, and maybe with Foye in the lineup.

Anyway, I hope we dont get screwed by those damned ping pong balls

 
E-6 replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:32:39 pm

Meanwhile, Portland wins it's 9th in a row. Brandon Roy with 25/9/8. Man, if only he'd been available when the Woofs picked last year...

brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:44:34 pm

yea, but think of the cash considerations!

there are, of course, questions about the stability of his knee. In other words, there is a chance he might some day miss time. As opposed to ol' Dextrocardia Boy, who is an iron man on the court.

 
 
brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:47:21 pm

If KG were any good in the 4th quarter, the C's woulda won tonight.

*ducks and covers*

 
brianS replied on December 19, 2007 at 11:49:36 pm

I feel bad for 'Zo. He was the kind of player who understood what being a professional should mean.

 

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