Comments on: Rumor Mongering: Have the Twins Traded Johan Santana? http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/ Your Daily Source for Half-Baked Crap Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:03:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kg2005 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114336 kg2005 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:44:45 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114336 The Twns will never lose another game that Johan starts for them. The Twns will never lose another game that Johan starts for them.

]]> By: brianS http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114335 brianS Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:43:11 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114335 Ba-dum-bumb. Ba-dum-bumb.

]]> By: freealonzo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114334 freealonzo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:12:14 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114334 Thanks, I needed that. Thanks, I needed that.

]]> By: Algonad http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114333 Algonad Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:11:22 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114333 Thanks. Thanks.

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114332 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:09:49 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114332 Isn't that bank just about bank-rupt? Isn't that bank just about bank-rupt?

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114331 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:08:35 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114331 It lowers the average number on our jerseys. It lowers the average number on our jerseys.

]]> By: freealonzo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114329 freealonzo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:57:59 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114329 I was so depressed over this news I watched the T-Wolves lose by double digits to the lowly Bulls instead of face the fallout. Someone please tell me how this makes the Twins better. Feel free to stretch the truth. I was so depressed over this news I watched the T-Wolves lose by double digits to the lowly Bulls instead of face the fallout.

Someone please tell me how this makes the Twins better. Feel free to stretch the truth.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114324 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:39:27 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114324 It's a wonderful life. Small case. It's a wonderful life. Small case.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114321 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:35:52 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114321 A tonic for the troops... A tonic for the troops...

]]> By: New Britain Bo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114320 New Britain Bo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:32:31 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114320 <i>Boys and girls and music. Why do they need gin?</i> Boys and girls and music. Why do they need gin?

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114318 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:26:34 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114318 Right on. (Violet's a beautiful color.) This conversation prolly wouldn't have happened at Gleemans. Man, I likes the WGOM. Right on. (Violet's a beautiful color.)

This conversation prolly wouldn't have happened at Gleemans. Man, I likes the WGOM.

]]> By: New Britain Bo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114317 New Britain Bo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:13:07 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114317 <i>the whole town knows you've been giving money to Violet Bick</i> the whole town knows you've been giving money to Violet Bick

]]> By: spycake http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114316 spycake Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:11:46 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114316 <em>Of course, the Twins could quell a lot of public backlash by using the extra money saved to sign say Kenny Lofton and Livan Hernandez.</em> I'm not sure if this is a joke or not... ultimately I don't think the public backlash will be too great, and I don't think they are close enough to competing to necessitate such acquisitions. A veteran starter might be nice, though, so Scott Baker isn't the "ace." Even the post-Viola Twins had Allan Anderson... Of course, the Twins could quell a lot of public backlash by using the extra money saved to sign say Kenny Lofton and Livan Hernandez.

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not... ultimately I don't think the public backlash will be too great, and I don't think they are close enough to competing to necessitate such acquisitions. A veteran starter might be nice, though, so Scott Baker isn't the "ace." Even the post-Viola Twins had Allan Anderson...

]]> By: CarterHayes http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114314 CarterHayes Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:07:50 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114314 I didn't intend it as snark. Certainly, yes, this trade is in the best interests of the game in terms of the current profit model. But the continual talent pillaging of mid-market teams by the Big Three isn't in the best interest of the game in terms of the overall fan base. Look at it in terms of success. Is the game more successful because the Big Three make enough money to keep joke franchises like Florida and Pittsburgh afloat financially? Or would the game be on better footing, both in terms of fan loyalty and growth potential, if the teams like the Pirates and Marlins made - on their own - a mere 60% of what they receive in revenue sharing? I didn't intend it as snark. Certainly, yes, this trade is in the best interests of the game in terms of the current profit model. But the continual talent pillaging of mid-market teams by the Big Three isn't in the best interest of the game in terms of the overall fan base.

Look at it in terms of success. Is the game more successful because the Big Three make enough money to keep joke franchises like Florida and Pittsburgh afloat financially? Or would the game be on better footing, both in terms of fan loyalty and growth potential, if the teams like the Pirates and Marlins made - on their own - a mere 60% of what they receive in revenue sharing?

]]> By: New Guy http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114313 New Guy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:07:47 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114313 Tacoma is nice, much warmer than the alternative. Tacoma is nice, much warmer than the alternative.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114312 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:06:01 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114312 I had visions of citizens running up to George Bailey and shouting, "What's this Zuzu's petals sh#t you're crackin' about?" I had visions of citizens running up to George Bailey and shouting, "What's this Zuzu's petals sh#t you're crackin' about?"

]]> By: New Guy http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114311 New Guy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:05:33 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114311 I think that HUMMMMMMMBERRRRRRRRRRR especially has a nice ring to it, but I sure would have enjoyed a nice round of JACOOOOOOOOOOBYYYYYYYY. Based on name alone, I think that MELLLLLLLKYYYYYYYY would have been the most fun to do. I think that HUMMMMMMMBERRRRRRRRRRR especially has a nice ring to it, but I sure would have enjoyed a nice round of JACOOOOOOOOOOBYYYYYYYY. Based on name alone, I think that MELLLLLLLKYYYYYYYY would have been the most fun to do.

]]> By: New Britain Bo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114307 New Britain Bo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:56:45 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114307 <i>Wow, I thought SBG and ubelmann were the same guy! </i> Funny, for a (brief) while I thought Stick was Mr. BatGirl. Wow, I thought SBG and ubelmann were the same guy!

Funny, for a (brief) while I thought Stick was Mr. BatGirl.

]]> By: New Britain Bo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114306 New Britain Bo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:53:44 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114306 A small local bank is putting up a little <a href='http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/citifield_overview.jsp' rel='external nofollow' rel="nofollow"> park</a>. A small local bank is putting up a little park.

]]> By: spycake http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114305 spycake Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:37:51 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114305 And those deals were made on the "dismal" TV ratings of recent years. Every October, there's gnashing of teeth about how bad the TV ratings are, no matter what markets are playing, but the ratings/markets just don't matter anymore for national TV. And those deals were made on the "dismal" TV ratings of recent years. Every October, there's gnashing of teeth about how bad the TV ratings are, no matter what markets are playing, but the ratings/markets just don't matter anymore for national TV.

]]> By: socaltwinsfan http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114304 socaltwinsfan Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:28:30 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114304 <blockquote>It kind of seems like Smith waited too long to make a decision, but who knows.</blockquote> I agree on that. I've read a lot of rumors that both the Yankees and Red Sox backed off on their deals and this was what was left. Also, it sounded like Johan was putting pressure on the Twins to get this done soon. Also, the guys the Twins got were the Mets' Nos. 2, 3, 4 and 7 prospects according to BA. I wouldn't consider this a fleecing. Although, there is plenty of risk here. Of course, the Twins could quell a lot of public backlash by using the extra money saved to sign say Kenny Lofton and Livan Hernandez.

It kind of seems like Smith waited too long to make a decision, but who knows.

I agree on that. I've read a lot of rumors that both the Yankees and Red Sox backed off on their deals and this was what was left. Also, it sounded like Johan was putting pressure on the Twins to get this done soon.

Also, the guys the Twins got were the Mets' Nos. 2, 3, 4 and 7 prospects according to BA. I wouldn't consider this a fleecing. Although, there is plenty of risk here.

Of course, the Twins could quell a lot of public backlash by using the extra money saved to sign say Kenny Lofton and Livan Hernandez.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114302 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:25:06 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114302 I might even <em>pay</em> for that. Or try to pirate it... I might even pay for that. Or try to pirate it...

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114301 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:21:57 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114301 Don't the Mets have their sights set on new digs? This signing will help. "The House That Johan Built." Don't the Mets have their sights set on new digs? This signing will help. "The House That Johan Built."

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114299 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:14:09 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114299 NBBo will be providing play-by-play from the bleachers -- hope he has a wifi link there!!!! NBBo will be providing play-by-play from the bleachers -- hope he has a wifi link there!!!!

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114298 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:12:49 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114298 FOX and TBS have a seven year, $3 billion deal with MLB for national broadcast rights. ESPN has a separate deal. That's about $500 million a year. According to Seligula, that's about 10% of total revenues. FOX and TBS have a seven year, $3 billion deal with MLB for national broadcast rights. ESPN has a separate deal. That's about $500 million a year. According to Seligula, that's about 10% of total revenues.

]]> By: New Britain Bo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114297 New Britain Bo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:11:15 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114297 At least I'll get to listen to Johan on the radio out here... Perhaps a trip to Shea++ to see him in action wearing blue. At least I'll get to listen to Johan on the radio out here...

Perhaps a trip to Shea++ to see him in action wearing blue.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114296 E-6 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:10:46 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114296 There's gonna be New Britain game-logs? (I kid, I kid. Good to see that Phil Hartman avatar, NG. How's Tacoma?) There's gonna be New Britain game-logs?

(I kid, I kid. Good to see that Phil Hartman avatar, NG. How's Tacoma?)

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114295 ubelmann Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:03:09 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114295 It's listed in his <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=santajo02&t=p&year=2007" rel="nofollow">Baseball Reference game logs</a> (right below the actual list of games.) Looks like: 17-16 -- 2007 27-7 -- 2006 24-9 -- 2005 24-10 -- 2004 Then it gets tougher to tell in 2003 and 2002 because he had some relief appearances mixed in there. It's listed in his Baseball Reference game logs (right below the actual list of games.)

Looks like:

17-16 -- 2007
27-7 -- 2006
24-9 -- 2005
24-10 -- 2004

Then it gets tougher to tell in 2003 and 2002 because he had some relief appearances mixed in there.

]]> By: Algonad http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114291 Algonad Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:56:01 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114291 Does anybody know where I can find the Twins' W-L record in games started by Santana? Does anybody know where I can find the Twins' W-L record in games started by Santana?

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114288 ubelmann Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:51:56 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114288 Let's try out the new New Guy-style "shout-outs." GOOOMEZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!! MULLLLVEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYY!!!!! HUMMMMBERRRRRR!!!!!!! GUERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! I suspect you'll get to use those a lot. Let's try out the new New Guy-style "shout-outs."

GOOOMEZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!

MULLLLVEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYY!!!!!

HUMMMMBERRRRRR!!!!!!!

GUERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

I suspect you'll get to use those a lot.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114285 ubelmann Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:48:50 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114285 I see what you're saying. While TR didn't take the PR hit on this one, BS did get to choose the package he wanted, so I think it could have gone either way. It kind of seems like Smith waited too long to make a decision, but who knows. I see what you're saying. While TR didn't take the PR hit on this one, BS did get to choose the package he wanted, so I think it could have gone either way. It kind of seems like Smith waited too long to make a decision, but who knows.

]]> By: Banjo http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114279 Banjo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:25:14 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114279 I just think it would have been better for Ryan to make this trade and take the PR hit. I just think it would have been better for Ryan to make this trade and take the PR hit.

]]> By: spycake http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114278 spycake Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:23:41 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114278 Invalidating this trade with the "best interests of baseball" clause has to be considered snark, right? I mean, it may not be great return, but there are legitimate reasons behind this trade, whether we agree with them or not. And I don't think MLB or the networks harbor any illusions of baseball becoming a dominant TV ratings force in the modern age. National TV is a drop in the bucket compared to MLB's total revenue. Invalidating this trade with the "best interests of baseball" clause has to be considered snark, right? I mean, it may not be great return, but there are legitimate reasons behind this trade, whether we agree with them or not.

And I don't think MLB or the networks harbor any illusions of baseball becoming a dominant TV ratings force in the modern age. National TV is a drop in the bucket compared to MLB's total revenue.

]]> By: New Guy http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114275 New Guy Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:11:14 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114275 *Barfs* *Barfs*

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114273 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:03:43 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114273 I think banjo was just being a little snarky. He forgot that we are living in the post-snark age. I think banjo was just being a little snarky. He forgot that we are living in the post-snark age.

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114272 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:02:46 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114272 I hypothesized earlier today at Howard Sinker's blog that Bud probably feels that having Santana in New York <strong>is in the best interests of the game</strong>. NY and/or BOS in the World Series (or the Mets) leads to higher ratings and larger TV contracts, which leads to more money to be divvied to each team. I hypothesized earlier today at Howard Sinker's blog that Bud probably feels that having Santana in New York is in the best interests of the game. NY and/or BOS in the World Series (or the Mets) leads to higher ratings and larger TV contracts, which leads to more money to be divvied to each team.

]]> By: CarterHayes http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114271 CarterHayes Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:28 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114271 That's more or less what I was fishin' for, yeah. Then again, Carl's a most valued member of Bud's Politburo. That's more or less what I was fishin' for, yeah. Then again, Carl's a most valued member of Bud's Politburo.

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114270 SBG Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:59:33 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114270 We get that a lot. Well, actually not. We get that a lot. Well, actually not.

]]> By: Twinstalker http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114268 Twinstalker Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:52:31 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114268 Wow, I thought SBG and ubelmann were the same guy! I got confused. I love this trade. I was going to spend $7100 renewing my season tickets. Thank god they did this. I'm hurting for cash. Wow, I thought SBG and ubelmann were the same guy! I got confused.

I love this trade. I was going to spend $7100 renewing my season tickets. Thank god they did this. I'm hurting for cash.

]]> By: Big Mak http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114266 Big Mak Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:45:09 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114266 So this is fun. Lets assume the deal goes through, and that the Twins start the year with a rotation of: Baker Bonser Humber Liriano Slowey And a bullpen consisting of at least these guys: Crain Guerrier Nathan Neshek Reyes Rincon Career Starts for Rotation: 128 (Baker/Bonser-48, Liriano-20) Career Starts for Bullpen: 75 (Reyes-40, Nathan-29) Career Wins for Rotation: 43 (Baker leads with 17) Career Wins for Bullpen: 131 (Only Neshek and Guerrier have fewer than Baker) What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the Twins rotation will be a bit less experienced than their bullpen. So this is fun. Lets assume the deal goes through, and that the Twins start the year with a rotation of:

Baker
Bonser
Humber
Liriano
Slowey

And a bullpen consisting of at least these guys:

Crain
Guerrier
Nathan
Neshek
Reyes
Rincon

Career Starts for Rotation: 128 (Baker/Bonser-48, Liriano-20)
Career Starts for Bullpen: 75 (Reyes-40, Nathan-29)

Career Wins for Rotation: 43 (Baker leads with 17)
Career Wins for Bullpen: 131 (Only Neshek and Guerrier have fewer than Baker)

What I'm trying to illustrate here is that the Twins rotation will be a bit less experienced than their bullpen.

]]> By: brianS http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114263 brianS Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:00:29 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114263 you mean reject this deal on "best interests of baseball" grounds? yeaaa! Where's Bowie Kuhn when you need him? you mean reject this deal on "best interests of baseball" grounds?

yeaaa! Where's Bowie Kuhn when you need him?

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114262 ubelmann Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:41:42 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114262 I just mean, as a Twins fan, it would've been better for the team if TR could've signed him without the NTC. Nothing more than that. Santana has definitely earned his money. I just mean, as a Twins fan, it would've been better for the team if TR could've signed him without the NTC. Nothing more than that. Santana has definitely earned his money.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114261 ubelmann Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:40:04 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114261 Also, if this is what happens when I serve the cup of coffee, I'm never touching that stuff again. Also, if this is what happens when I serve the cup of coffee, I'm never touching that stuff again.

]]> By: SDfan http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114260 SDfan Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:38:09 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114260 Gadzooks. This looks like the worst of the three reported offers on the table, as many others have also noted. What is it about Minnesota sports executives and their apparent neuroses about trading superstars - to east coast teams sporting inferior offers - just to get them out of the conference/league? I'm now looking at the Garza/Young deal with an even-more jaundiced eye. What at one point was a curious trade in which it looked like Smith gave up too much - but one in which I was willing to wait and see - is now looking more like a fleecing of an out-matched GM. Put the sum-total of Smith's deals together, and you get a wildly-overpriced Craig Monroe, an average-at-best deal in Garza/Bartlett/Morlan for Young/Pridie, and now this poopoo platter for the best pitcher of the decade. My interest in the 2008 Twins is waning. Fast. Gadzooks. This looks like the worst of the three reported offers on the table, as many others have also noted. What is it about Minnesota sports executives and their apparent neuroses about trading superstars - to east coast teams sporting inferior offers - just to get them out of the conference/league?

I'm now looking at the Garza/Young deal with an even-more jaundiced eye. What at one point was a curious trade in which it looked like Smith gave up too much - but one in which I was willing to wait and see - is now looking more like a fleecing of an out-matched GM. Put the sum-total of Smith's deals together, and you get a wildly-overpriced Craig Monroe, an average-at-best deal in Garza/Bartlett/Morlan for Young/Pridie, and now this poopoo platter for the best pitcher of the decade.

My interest in the 2008 Twins is waning. Fast.

]]> By: Dread Pirate Will Young http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114259 Dread Pirate Will Young Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:34:45 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114259 He definitely earned his leverage. If he hadn't signed a contract providing it to him (and then won the Cy Young ensuring it), he would have been an FA before now anyway. He definitely earned his leverage. If he hadn't signed a contract providing it to him (and then won the Cy Young ensuring it), he would have been an FA before now anyway.

]]> By: HVS http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114258 HVS Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:31:56 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114258 Boy, don't we look like a bunch of dumb hicks to New Yorkers now. Boy, don't we look like a bunch of dumb hicks to New Yorkers now.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114257 ubelmann Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:29:20 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114257 I'm not sure what you're saying here. I'm not sure what you're saying here.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114256 ubelmann Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:28:13 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114256 I don't begrudge Santana for using his leverage, I just wish he didn't have the leverage in the first place. I don't begrudge Santana for using his leverage, I just wish he didn't have the leverage in the first place.

]]> By: Dread Pirate Will Young http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114255 Dread Pirate Will Young Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:26:19 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114255 I like that ESPN apparently only has 4 clips of Santana that they need to loop over and over again. I like that ESPN apparently only has 4 clips of Santana that they need to loop over and over again.

]]> By: SBG http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114254 SBG Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:24:30 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2008/01/29/rumor-mongering-have-the-twins-traded-johan-santana/#comment-114254 Gammons on the deal: <object width="440" height="361"><param name="movie" value="http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/player.swf?mediaId=3220926"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"/><embed src="http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/player.swf?mediaId=3220926" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="440" height="361" allowScriptAccess="always"></embed></object> Gammons on the deal:

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