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Cup of Coffee: January 31, 2008

Posted by SBG on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 at 5:45 am

Cup of Coffee Does Johan get $150 million?


This entry was posted by SBG on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 at 5:45 am and is filed under Cup of Coffee. It is one of 2376 entries by the author. We are no longer accepting Letters to the Editor on this post. Why?

132 LTEs

Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on January 31st, 2008 at 6:38 am

No. His agent and the IRS get a healthy chunk, leaving him with, by my calculations, ~$89,700/yr average to live off of. I'll get a scan of the envelope back posted here later...

 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 7:28 am

My Creighton friend now owes me 2 drinks.

 
Kyle
Kyle replied on January 31st, 2008 at 8:08 am

I'll say yes. I'd love to be Greenberg. Couple the Mets collapse with the media consensus that they pwnzor'd!!!1 Bill Smith, if they let the deal fall through for anything short of a truly insane contract demand, there will be riots in Queens.

 
Dicta
Dicta replied on January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 am

Rotoworld is indictating that the Mets and the Moo Cow (see Katy's story) are negotiating on a 6th year and that it may become a performance option year. If Santana is willing to sign with a preformance option I'll be very sad. More directly, it will be clear that he had NO interest in being a Twin.

Hope my avatar worked. I took me, like, two hours to figure out how to make it work. I was a wizard at programming in basic--and the video game Tron. I've gone downhill a bit since.

SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 8:18 am

Hobbes looks like nothing more than a stuffed toy to me.

Dicta
Dicta replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:01 am

Obviously, you lack imagination.

E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:08 am

Nice. Just hope I don't get you mixed up with BigMak's "Spaceman Spiff."

Dicta
Dicta replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:28 am

Oh no. In my glea to come up with an idea--and the skills to implement the idea--I forgot about Spaceman Spiff. I better come up with something else whimsical.

On the other hand, isn't imitation this sincerest form of flaterry...and all that rubish.

BigMak, post something so that I can see how much I flattered you.

Big Mak
Big Mak replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:53 am

I say keep the avatar as is. Maybe we can slowly convert the rest of the Nation, there's still plenty of ideas. We still need a 'Stupendous Man' for instance.

S for Stupendous
T for Tiger, Ferocity of
U for Underwear, Red
P for Power, Incredible
E for Excellent Physique
N for um.. something, I'll come back to that
D for Determination
U for, wait... how do you spell this? is it 'I'?

(LTEs wont nest below this level)
E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:00 am

A splendid idea. Bill Watterson is king.

So, who's Moe?moe

 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:03 am

I'm trying to get my Tracer Bullet avatar to work as we speak.

I keep two magnums in my desk. One's a gun, and I keep it loaded. The other's a bottle, and it keeps me loaded. I'm Tracer Bullet. I'm a professional snoop.

 
brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:04 am

I used to get Mrs. S C&H books for her birthday, back before kids. While this may demonstrate my general incompetence, they were fairly successful presents back in the day. Gifts that kept on giving.

Our household has now moved on to Bucky Katt and Pearls

mebbe I'll have to update my look. How's this one for the post-Santana Era?

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:12 am

Calvin & Hobbes avatars? Count me in!

 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am

I say we have a weekly avatar theme. Remember that time we were all presidents? The Monday CoC can just say "Calvin and Hobbes" or "Presidents" and then everyone can go find something.

 
E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am

Nothing will replace Calvin & Hobbes. You gotta love a guy who created a wonderful set of characters, drew them with more flair than the rest of the funny pages combined, and then walked away at the top of his game. Plus, he never cheapened the strip by licensing it out to every two-bit t-shirt and mug-maker who came calling. Books only, bub.

That said, Zippy the Pinhead and Mutts still provide a smile now and then.

 
brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Mutts? You admit a soft-spot for Mutts?

I figgered you for disdaining it as sentimental crap. No post-modern angst at all! ;-)

 
E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Yesh. We're living in a post-snark whirl, bS. :)

(Plus, I like the simplicity of the drawings.)

 
Dicta
Dicta replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Calvin and Hobbes are the best. I'm glad to see all the solidarity on the avatars. However, I'm still a bit troubled that I was the one accusing SBG of having no imagination.

Also E-6, you've apparently forgot all the trucks running around the country with Calvin pissing on the Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Yankees, Dodgers, Vickings, Packers, etc. symbols. An industry unto themselves.

 
SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pm

That comment was my nod to Watterson's brilliant device wrt Hobbes, as I'm sure you are aware. Plus, it doubled as a straight line for you. I'm here to please!

 
SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pm

I say we have a weekly avatar theme. Remember that time we were all presidents? The Monday CoC can just say "Calvin and Hobbes" or "Presidents" and then everyone can go find something.

Nah, nothing that formal. Avatars changes have to be organic.

 
E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:21 pm

An industry unto themselves.

A gross case of piracy. (I did see one that had him pissing on Garfield. That one, I liked.)

 
zooomx
zooomx replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:48 pm

I was so proud of my 8 year old son. Mom hooked him up with his very own public library card this Tuesday. His first 2 checkouts were Calvin and Hobbes collections.

Many of my favorite moments with him involve giggling hysterically on the living room floor while reading C&H.

 
 
 
 
 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:06 am

Only someone as grumpy as Frank Costanza would say that.

 
 
 
Scot
Scot replied on January 31st, 2008 at 8:29 am

My avatar would like to get paid in the 2007 market for starting pitchers.

Interested teams can make their checks out to me.

AMR
AMR replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:01 am

I'll pay him $111,111.11 per IP.

 
 
Algonad
Algonad replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:17 am

The Twins have continued to state that they plan on a budget of 50-52% of revenue for their payroll. Based on losing Hunter and Santana, I'm sure they are well under 50% of projected 2008 revenue. I hope they actually stay low on payroll and admit they have to stick with the youngsters this year to peak in 2010. I'd also like it if they took that extra $10 million and put it in a CD that matures in 2010 to load up on payroll that year. Maybe go to 54% for a year or two!

I know it won't happen that way but a guy can dream, right?

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:45 am

I'd actually like to see them put the extra cash towards international signings. $13M seems like it could go a long way towards getting you the next Miguel Cabrera, or failing that, the next Deolis Guerra.

Algonad
Algonad replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:01 am

I'd be fine with that too. As long as they stay consistent and try to build for the future instead of trying to turn a 70-win team into an 80-win team in 2008.

That's my biggest fear right now. I want young players in CF and SP. No overpaid veterans.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:19 am

Yeah, we have approximately 2.4 zillion guys in the system who are in the upper minors and may or may not become #3 starters. No need to block them with retreads, though I could see them signing one veteran pitcher.

I'm less worried about CF. We also have a ton of CF in the system, so I don't think they can sign a major league CF without releasing someone (Span would be the obvious choice and I don't think they have the balls to give up on him and cut bait.)

Kyle
Kyle replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am

You wouldn't like a one-year deal for Lofton? I think J.P. is worth a shot, but I wouldn't be upset with the former and am hoping they leave Gomez down in Triple-A to work on his approach at the plate, especially now that the team is in full rebuilding mode.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:38 am

What's the point? ZiPS has Lofton projected to hit .279/.340/.356 next year and Pridie projected to hit .253/.303/.379. Given the age gap between the two, I wouldn't be surprised if Pridie can play better defense at this point. Pridie's young enough that he might as well be getting regular ABs.

I'd rather just spend the $1M on someone I've never heard of from Venezuela than for a marginal upgrade from Pridie to Lofton, if it's even an upgrade at all.

(LTEs wont nest below this level)
E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:46 am

I agree. If we're rebuilding, let the kids play. I'd like to see Gomez and Pridie duke it out in spring training. If Pridie wins, send CarGo to AAA for AB's. If he wins, keep Pridie as a fourth outfielder. No need for a 1-year mercenary like Lofton.

Of course, if neither of them are MLB-ready, we're screwed.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

We're screwed either way--we just traded away 6-8 wins in 2008.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 9:50 am

The US MNT unveiled new jerseys today. I can't say I like them at all.

New MNT jersey

Dread Pirate Will Young
Dread Pirate Will Young replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:41 am

Hideous. Horrible. I loved the old ones.

 
Whiffers
Whiffers replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:46 am

I don't hate them, but they definitely aren't an improvement. When are they taking the wraps off of a new road jersey?

 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:51 am

I've seen this shirt before - on every frat boy douchebag at every kegger I've ever been too. To be fair, this does not have a collar to pop, so that's an improvement.

brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:53 am

wouldn't the collared version be a "rugby shirt"?

which, of course, goes together with kegger and backwards baseball cap like bratwurst and sauerkraut and, well, kegger.

Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:17 am

There are plenty of soccer shirts with collars and pseudo-collars.

frightwig
frightwig replied on February 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am

God, I hate that Liverpool jersey. The USMNT jersey is boring, but it could have been worse. The kit could be designed by Adidas.

 
 
 
Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:04 am

I submit the A & F polo page for comparison

 
 
AMR
AMR replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

I kindof like it. I think if you're gonna be something in soccer, you need a unique kit. Brasil, Argentina, Germany, England, Paraguay, Italy,... Croatia. Even though these countries change their kits frequently (Brasil excluded), I can still recognize the jerseys.

This one is different from any other country, and if the US sticks with the concept, great.
Let's get the women to match it, too.

Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:24 pm

I think the MNT and WNT should wear the same kits. We're one country, damnit, show some unity! Anything is better than these.

AMR
AMR replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pm

That's what I was thinking about. Nothing says "USA" like the color "Dijon" or "Deli Mustard" or "Dirty Brass."

I do remember the previous men's kit, though, with the off-center stripe down the chest, which continued on one sock. That was okay, but it wasn't distincitve. Replace the navy with Black, add a little yellow, and you've got a German kit.

Or hell, make the men match the WNT's "Gravel Road" color. Get the teams an identity in uniform and stick with it.

Andrew
Andrew replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pm

Glad to see we're on the same page, at least with regards to the men's and women's kits.

 
 
 
 
 
Banjo
Banjo replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:31 am

BrianS - The IPA was a splendid pairing for the Jambalaya. I made a few tactical errors in the preparation method, per the Cook's Illustrated recipe. The net result was a slightly longer cook time, but the results were solid. I served the jambalaya with a corn muffin recipe which was quite interesting.

When preparing the wet liquid portion, you beat two eggs for 30 seconds, and then added a stick of melted butter, in three pours, with a brisk whisking after each pour. Then you added 1/2 cup milk and 3/4 cup sour cream, one half of each ingredient at at a time (.25 cup of milk and .375 cup of sour cream) again, with a brisk whisking, followed by gently folding it into the dry ingredients until just combined. The consistency of the finished product was excellent. They were not too crumbly and the sour cream gave them a kind of velvety texture.

brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:51 am

my kids are huge fans of cornbread products. I will have to give this one a try. Thanks!

I'm glad my pairing suggestion didn't suck :-)

which IPA?

Banjo
Banjo replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am

Summit IPA. My neighbor as an early investor in Summit, so I usually try and have a few in the fridge when he comes over and depending on his travel schedule, he almost always comes bearing hopped-gifts. Ironically, the few beers he brought with him last night were Summit IPAs as well. I had some Bell's Pale Ale as a back up, but we were reasonably well-behaved so we didn't get that far.

From Cook's Illustrated:

Whole-grain cornmeal has a fuller flavor than regular cornmeal milled from degerminated corn. To determine what kind of cornmeal a package contains, look closely at the label.

INGREDIENTS
2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour (10 ounces)
1 cup fine-ground, whole-grain yellow cornmeal (4 1/2 ounces)
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 teaspoon table salt
2 large eggs
3/4 cup granulated sugar (5 1/4 ounces)
8 tablespoons unsalted butter (1 stick), melted
3/4 cup sour cream
1/2 cup milk

1. Adjust oven rack to middle position and heat oven to 400 degrees. Spray standard muffin tin with nonstick cooking spray.

2. Whisk flour, cornmeal, baking powder, baking soda, and salt in medium bowl to combine; set aside. Whisk eggs in second medium bowl until well combined and light-colored, about 20 seconds. Add sugar to eggs; whisk vigorously until thick and homogenous, about 30 seconds; add melted butter in 3 additions, whisking to combine after each addition. Add half the sour cream and half the milk and whisk to combine; whisk in remaining sour cream and milk until combined. Add wet ingredients to dry ingredients; mix gently with rubber spatula until batter is just combined and evenly moistened. Do not over-mix. Using an ice cream scoop or large spoon, divide batter evenly among muffin cups, dropping it to form mound. Do not level or flatten surface of mounds.

3. Bake until muffins are light golden brown and skewer inserted into center of muffins comes out clean, about 18 minutes, rotating muffin tin from front to back halfway through baking time. Cool muffins in tin 5 minutes; invert muffins onto wire rack, stand muffins upright, cool 5 minutes longer, and serve warm.

 
 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 10:51 am

Does Johan get $150 million?

I kind of think he can, though it sort of depends on how much of a badass Peter Greenberg is. Are the Mets really willing to come this close to getting Santana and then lose him over $10-20M? I lean towards 'no'.

Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:01 am

Yeah, there seems to be no reason for Santana to accept anything less... after all this publicity, I can't see the Mets not sign Santana, as they'd get raked over the coals media-wise. I would think that including the current year $13.25, he's getting at least 6 years and 135 million.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:14 am

With Zito getting 7 years, $126M last off-season, I have to believe that Greenberg wants at least 1 Zito, since clearly Santana > Zito.

 
 
 
Kyle
Kyle replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:29 am

BP posts their Top 100 Prospects. Gomez is the first Twin at #65.

SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:50 am

And Deolis Guerra is #79. Ben Revere is #97.

 
SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:51 am

In other words, the average team has more than two prospects better than our best.

brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Apparently, the "Rays" system is loaded.

zooomx
zooomx replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Can you trust any list that has Eva Longoria listed #3? She throws like a girl!!

Kyle
Kyle replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm

He won a Double-A MVP award in his first full professional season last year, and probably made the Rays feel a lot more comfortable dealing Young to the Twins in freeing up an outfield position for Upton, sliding Iwamura to second and leaving third to the kid.

 
brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:19 pm

Can you trust any list that has Eva Longoria listed #3? She throws like a girl!!

so did Killebrew. At least, according to some critics back in the day.

 
spycake
spycake replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm

Eva / Evan.

I feel like this has been some kind of unintended reading comprehension test.

brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm

unintended????

(LTEs wont nest below this level)
spycake
spycake replied on January 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm

I guess I can't speak to zooomx's motives...

 
 
 
 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm

At least you don't see a lot of Tigers and Indians prospects up there:

11. Rick Porcello, rhp, Tigers
52. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians
78. Wes Hodges, 3b, Indians
87. Aaron Poreda, lhp, White Sox

Soxers thrown in for good measure. This isn't a good list, but at least we're not outmatched according to this in minor league talent by most likely division competitors.

 
 
spycake
spycake replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Keith Law's Top 100 is similar, with Gomez at #35, Guerra #80, Robertson #91.

At least our competition doesn't fare much better in Law's list:

No team was shut out and five teams appear just once: Mets, White Sox, Tigers, Royals, and Phillies.

 
 
Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:31 am

I thought this was pretty good, even though it isn't applicable (refers to a Santana for Ellsbury trade with the Sox)

Santana Man
(with apologies to Billy Joel)

It's six o'clock on a game day,
The regular crowd tramples in.
There's a pink hat sitting next to me
Oggling Bosox and looking for skin.

She says, "Where is my homeboy Jacoby?
"I think that he is so hot."
And I say "Yesterday he was traded away
So now Coco is back in his spot."

Oh, la la la, de de da
La la, de de da da da.

Win us a Cy, you're Santana, man.
Win us a Cy this year.
`Cause we all were so very in love with Ellsbury
We're wishing that he was still here.

Now Santana is throwing a warm-up pitch -
96 miles per hour at the knees.
And he knows that it's he, that we're coming to see,
To forget about lost Tacobies.

Oh, la la la, de de da
La la, de de da da da.

Now Francona's a cud-chewing manager
Who's often too late with the hook;
And he's talking with Manny, who went to the canny
In a special Green Monster nook.

And Curt Schilling is practicing politics,
While the bullpen keeps drumming away;
As they're looking to score, add some runs to the board,
Coco hits into a double play.

Win us a Cy, you're Santana, man.
Win us a Cy this year.
`Cause we all were so very in love with Ellsbury
We're wishing that he was still here.

Jeff A
Jeff A replied on January 31st, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Anyone who's ever tried to do song parody knows that it's a lot harder than it looks. That's really good.

 
 
Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:51 am

According to Jayson Stark

Sources: Mets likely won't reach deal with Santana until Friday, if at all:

The sources also left open the possibility that the talks could collapse without an agreement, though the odds of that appear remote.

SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am

Oh God, if this deal collapses, what then? The Yanks send us Jason Giambi?

The end of that note also says that the Mets are talking to Kyle Lohse -- and that they could end up with one, the other or both of Lohse and Santana.

spycake
spycake replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Actually, if this deal collapses, I wonder if Johan is turned off by the Mets and settles for a reasonable Twins extension. (Again, trying to be optimistic here!)

Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Or, the Yankees/Sox up their offer?

 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:57 pm

I dunno, the Hankees may be more enthused than ever about acquiring Santana if the Mets can't get it done. Can you imagine the smug look on Hank Steinbrenner's face as he announces that the Yankees have reached an agreement with Santana--one that the Mets couldn't reach?

twayn
twayn replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Can you imagine the smug look on Hank Steinbrenner's face as he announces that the Yankees have reached an agreement with Santana...

Thanks to the miracle of the Internet, we don't have to imagine.

 
 
Kyle
Kyle replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

I'd love to see this fall apart. I'd take Hughes straight up over what we got from the Mets. And I'm in a fantasy league with four Mets fans and have been taking a lot of crap recently. I'd love to see some rioting in Queens. I talked to the Geek yesterday, and with the TVOR being a Phillies fan that household is doubly miserable. Make it easier on all of us and let the baseball gods stick 'em with just Lohse.

 
 
twayn
twayn replied on January 31st, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Lohse was viewed, essentially, as the Mets' backup plan in case they weren't able to trade for Santana.

My goodness. And in the event of nuclear war, their backup plan is to duck and cover.

zooomx
zooomx replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pm

classic!

 
 
 
brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am

So true.

“A man isn’t inclined to eat as much if his wife or girlfriend is watching,” Rob Nightingale explained. “After their 15th or 18th slice, she kind of gives him the look and makes him stop.”

E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:00 pm

You’ve got the tender beef, butter, salt, French fries, beer — all your major food groups.

The Nation needs one of these.

AMR
AMR replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pm

I read that article yesterday. Makes me want to travel to NJ, just for one night.
I can't believe that Anthony Bourdain hasn't featured this yet.

brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:08 pm

I can't believe that Anthony Bourdain hasn't featured this yet.

would travel to NJ count as "exotic"? This seems more like Al Roker territory.

E-6
E-6 replied on January 31st, 2008 at 12:11 pm

I don't know. I bet some of those "natives" would qualify as "savages."

 
AMR
AMR replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Meat and Beer and wasted bread. Sounds crude and glorious. Sounds like Bourdain. Plus, he's NYC based, right? After he witnesses something similar in Bhutan (for example), he could come back home and show folks you can find similar things in the US, if you look right.

I've only started watching the food network (and travel channel food shows) since after the WS. I've never seen Roker.

SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 2:27 pm

I had no idea that he was even on the Food Network. But, apparently, he is.

(LTEs wont nest below this level)
brianS
brianS replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm

he's been doing "road" shows for years. Tailgating party shows, eatery shows, etc.

It's gotta kill him doing this stuff since he got stapled. He gets like, 2 bites and has to stop.

 
twayn
twayn replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Alton Brown of Good Eats is the brightest star in the Food Network firmament, but lately I've taken a real liking to Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives with Guy Fieri. Those are my kinda joints he visits, and some of the house specialties he discovers are mind-blowing (not to mention artery clogging).

 
SBG
SBG replied on January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm

I'm partial to Giada.