Checking in with Johan Santana

May 1st, 2008 by ubelmann

I hadn't checked up on Santana in a while, so when I heard about this, I figured I would take a peek at Santana's numbers.

Though I don't think that ERA accurately reflects how well a pitcher has pitched, it has been Santana's early-season ERA that spawned the belief that Santana is a slow starter. Let's take a look at his March/April ERA since he's been a starter full-time:

5.40 -- 2004
3.55 -- 2005
4.45 -- 2006
3.60 -- 2007
3.12 -- 2008

His career ERA as a starter is 3.11. There was a legitimate reason for his slow start in 2004--he had bone chips removed from his elbow in the offseason and there's normally an adjustment period after that procedure. So, other than that, 2006 stands out, and 2005/2007 are both worse than average...but I'm not seeing a very big effect here. Maybe Santana's something like a 3.50 pitcher in April, with one good outlier ('08) and one bad outlier ('06) and the surgery adjustment year.

Now for the good stuff:

9.6 K/G, 2.0 BB/G, 46.8 GB%, 3.14 xFIP -- Santana, 2008

Going by the numbers at fangraphs, I get Santana's career average to be 37.8% GB%. Santana was getting more ground balls in 2004-6 than he did last year, which I think was due in large part to his blister problems being worse than usual and preventing him from throwing his slider as often. Sure enough, he's back up to 14.7% sliders this year (15.0% career average) from 11.6% sliders last year. If his 3.14 xFIP (not adjusted for park or league, mind you) holds up, it would be his best xFIP as a starter.

As for info on other players mentioned in trade rumors (though not necessarily actual trade proposals), small sample size rules in full effect:

Phil Hughes -- As I alluded to at the top, he just went on the DL. Injury problems could help explain his rather wretched start to the season. Long-term, I still think he'll be a good pitcher, but I think the biggest knock on him in the off-season was the potential for injury, and this doesn't help.

Ian Kennedy -- 5.88 xFIP, more walks than strikeouts. Yikes. He was projected by PECOTA to have a ~4.30 ERA, and ZiPS had him at 4.38...something seems weird here. I'm willing to call this a small sample size mirage for now.

Jon Lester -- 5.11 xFIP, more walks than strikeouts. PECOTA had him projected for a ~5.30 ERA, ZiPS had him projected for a ~5.00 ERA. I still don't see what the big deal is. He's just slightly less overrated than Glen Perkins as far as I can tell.

Philip Humber -- 4.5 K/G, 3.8 BB/G, 0.7 HR/G for Rochester. Looks like he would be a total disaster in the majors right now with that line, since you'd figure the K/G to go down some, the BB/G to go up some, and the HR/G to go way up, since major league hitters have a lot more power than minor league hitters.

Kevin Mulvey -- 8.7 K/G, 3.2 BB/G, 0.3 HR/G for Rochester. (Roughly a 2.70 FIP.) Perhaps performing better than any non-Santana pitcher mentioned in Santana trade rumors, Mulvey has gotten off to a very good start in AAA. Projected to have a ~5.00 major league ERA this year by PECOTA, I wouldn't be surprised if Mulvey has just as good of a major league career as Jon Lester, if not better.

Justin Masterson -- 11.4 K/G, 3.3 BB/G, 0.0 HR/G for Pawtucket. Has been called up to the Red Sox and made one start. Masterson's right there with Mulvey--probably a little ahead of him--for early season performance. Long-term, I'd guess he has similar value to Mulvey and Lester.

Deolis Guerra -- Still pitching in High A. Still really young.

Melky Cabrera -- Hitting a robust .299/.370/.494, for an 8.7 VORP, which would be the best VORP on our offense.

Jacoby Ellsbury -- .280/.396/.440, for a 7.6 VORP, which would also be the best VORP on our offense.

Carlos Gomez -- .265/.279/.373, for a 1.9 VORP, which would also be the best VORP on our offense which is the 5th-best VORP on our offense. Okay, got a little carried away there. Now, VORP does take into account his stolen bases, so no giving him extra credit there, but he seems to be playing at least average defense in the field. If there was just one problem with the Twins in April (and I count more than one problem) Gomez was not that problem.

He's struck out 24% of the time he's stepped to the plate, which is a lot of strikeouts. But, for a little bit of context, he's not anywhere near the league lead in that category. Of 279 hitters with 50 or more PA, he ranks 27th in most strikeouts per PA. Of 234 hitters with 75 or more PA, he ranks 22nd in most strikeouts per PA. Some guys ahead of him on the list (and their K-rate):

34% -- Mark Reynolds
32% -- Ryan Howard
30% -- Jack Cust
29% -- Carlos Pena
27% -- Jack Hannahan
26% -- Jim Thome
25% -- Richie Sexson
25% -- Bill Hall
24% -- Jason Varitek

Meanwhile, Brendan Harris has been striking out at a nearly-as-awful 22% rate and no one seems to have noticed. It's clear that to succeed with a high strikeout rate, you've gotta have some power, and I think Gomez really might develop that power. His ISO is just as good as Cuddyer's so far this season, and the only regulars hitting for more power are Morneau and Kubel. (Certainly he's shown more power then Delmon Young.)

Anyway, I'm getting a bit off on a tangent. The trade really doesn't look any different today than it did when we made it. I still would have probably preferred Hughes/Cabrera/stuff(1) (especially if 'stuff' was halfway decent), but I'm not really sure what was being offered, and what we wound up with probably won't turn out to be a lot worse than that, and could turn out to be better. There's a lot of risk involved with trying to predict the future.


  1. I'm not really sure that I think holding on to Hughes/Cabrera/stuff was the best move for the Yankees, though. The Twins more or less needed to rebuild after the way the 2006 offseason went, but the Yankees have such a huge payroll that it seems to me that it would make more sense to take their risks on running out of money than risk waiting for prospects to break in or risk that the prospects don't turn out at all. []

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greenmachine replied on May 1, 2008 at 8:25:24 pm

I agree, the calculus hasn't changed all that much. If we had an offense, we might think about griping on Gomez 2008 hitting vs. Melky/Ellsby hitting. But plug M or E in this team right now and we're still not scoring runs. So we have to keep hoping for Gomez potential > M/E potential.

I did have the thought "glad we didn't trade for Hughes!" but there are plenty of question marks around the pitchers we did get.

ubelmann replied on May 1, 2008 at 9:05:28 pm

Well, I guess I just would have rebuilt differently overall. I meant to post on this in the offseason, but things got too busy. I'm not all that fond of 3-4 year time frames. I'm sure over the offseason, we'll get all kinds of hype about how all the young hitters are going to be one year older, and surely 2009 will be the year where everyone stays healthy (even though that never happens) and everyone has a career year.

I would have been in favor of something like:

- Santana for Hughes/Cabrera/something
- Sign Mike Cameron for a year + option year, roughly
- Sign Adam Everett and move JB to 2B (Yeah, I know, they've both been awful at the plate so far this year, but I do like my defense, and hopefully Everett looks better with a healthy shoulder. Plus, I just didn't see any particular long-term 2B/SS solutions that would have really been worth going after. This way, you at least have flexibility going forward.)
- Try to flip some of the midlevel pitching (on the order of Glen Perkins) for a decent but unspectacular 3B.
- See how things shake out in '08 and hopefully a couple of shrewd moves in the '08 offseason could put the '09 team in contention

It's hard to get hitting up-the-middle, and that's where this organization lacks hitting the most. (Other than third base. Which has been a ridiculous pile of suck since Koskie left.) But Cameron/Cabrera/3B could well be a significant upgrade over Gomez/Young/Lamb for the next couple of years. Since it's going to be hard to overhaul this into a team that scores a lot of runs overnight, I thought it would be better to embrace my inner 1969, and do what I could to build the team around pitching and defense. You get the same trophy for winning 3-2 games as you do for winning 5-4 games. (My thought process, in essence, being: it's easier to make lemonade from lemons than it is to make orange juice from lemons.)

With the way things actually went down, I think that by the time Delmon and Gomez really get it going (if they get it going--they seem light years away from where they are "supposed" to be) Cuddyer will have seen his best seasons, and for one reason or another, Mauer or Morneau might wind up past his peak, too. It's just so hard to count on things 4-5 years down the line.

E-6 replied on May 1, 2008 at 9:39:01 pm

When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold.

Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 2, 2008 at 6:45:44 am

When Life Gives You Lemons Delmons

Fixed that for you, E-6

 
 
SBG replied on May 2, 2008 at 11:54:07 am

surely 2009 will be the year where everyone stays healthy (even though that never happens) and everyone has a career year.

Lightning already struck once: in 2006. No reason to believe it will happen again.

ubelmann replied on May 2, 2008 at 12:44:36 pm

Yeah, sadly I think that year is going to foster unrealistic expectations for a while. It was quite a bit of fun while it lasted, though.

 
 
 
 
twayn replied on May 2, 2008 at 10:49:55 am

It's clear that to succeed with a high strikeout rate, you've gotta have some power, and I think Gomez really might develop that power.

It's that power potential that makes the rampant bunting so maddening. I don't see Gomez hitting 40 HR a year, but 20 or 25 is definitely possible, and with his speed he could stretch a lot of singles into doubles and doubles into triples. I'd sure like to see Rod Carew make Gomez a personal project and work with him extensively, a la Tony Gwynn and Jacques Jones (only with much better results).

Whiffers replied on May 2, 2008 at 11:38:03 am

That's a question I've been thinking about as well--at what point does excessive bunting get in the way of developing as a hitter?

 
 
Nick N. replied on May 2, 2008 at 11:17:34 am

As an aside, it appears that Phil Humber has been moved to the bullpen in Rochester. I figured he'd end up there all along, but I'm a little surprised it happened so soon. The Twins are out of options on Humber next year, so perhaps they're just trying to get a good handle on how he can be of some value to them.

SBG replied on May 2, 2008 at 11:52:27 am

I saw that. I think you are probably right in thinking that the Twins want to find out if he has value in the bullpen.

 
greenmachine replied on May 2, 2008 at 11:54:53 am

With the likely decline in Reyes and Rincon (though Reyes has obviously pitched very well so far), that sounds like a smart move to me.

 
ubelmann replied on May 2, 2008 at 12:52:21 pm

Has there been any word through the media about whether that move is permanent? I was kind of wondering if the Twins were trying to somewhat limit his innings, since he was only around 145 IP last year. (And Perkins was only around 50 IP last year, so I wonder if the Twins will really keep him in the rotation all season.)

Anyway, I've agreed with you all along that Humber seems like a good candidate for the bullpen. They probably figure he doesn't have good enough control to go deep into games as a starter. (Which is probably true.)

 
 
Algonad replied on May 2, 2008 at 12:16:28 pm

Another thing to think about as it relates to Hughes' and Kennedy's slow starts (and now Hughes' injury) is that the Yankees are desperate for starting pitching. Despite what Johan's agent said about a deadline, I think the Twins should have taken their chances and gone into the season with Johan on their roster.

ubelmann replied on May 2, 2008 at 12:47:27 pm

I guess that since I don't really know what the Yankees were offering, it's tough for me to say if I would have done that. I do agree that Santana ultimately would have agreed to be traded to a contender mid-season, though.

Algonad replied on May 2, 2008 at 1:19:01 pm

There should be plenty of demand for pitching this season. The Twins would have been in an even better bargaining position with the Mets now that Pedro is hurt. And didn't the Schilling news come out after the trade, too?

ubelmann replied on May 2, 2008 at 1:24:15 pm

But in-season, teams also get less Santana, so it's not all a positive. It's going to be harder for the Twins to pull the trigger on a trade featuring Phil Hughes if he's been injured/awful. I also suspect that both the Red Sox and Mets knew they weren't going to make it through the season with a completely healthy rotation, since that basically never happens.

Algonad replied on May 2, 2008 at 1:39:09 pm

I would be counting on East Coast hype and panic to drive up the price. Management may understand that injuries will happen but fans and owners can drive them to do something stupid once it actually happens.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Yankee front office if Hughes and Kennedy flop and the Yankees miss the playoffs.

brianS replied on May 2, 2008 at 1:41:32 pm

Well, we can always trade them Livan :-)

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socaltwinsfan replied on May 2, 2008 at 2:03:44 pm

I've felt all along that Cashman was going to get fired after not making the Johan trade. The ideal realistic scenario for him is the Yankees still make the playoffs this year and then they sign C.C. Sabathia as a free agent and thus are able to keep their young pitchers to offset Sabathia's salary. Of course, that would mean Sabathia doesn't keep pitching like he did his first few starts.

If they don't make the playoffs this year, especially if Johan gets the Mets to the playoffs and/or wins a Cy Young and/or 20 games, Cashman is gone. If he doesn't win a World Series in 2008 or 2009 and they don't have an ace pitcher that makes it likely that they will win one in the near future, Cashman is gone.

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SBG replied on May 2, 2008 at 2:06:41 pm

This is what everyone is waiting for. An explosion at the Yankees' compound. Anyone else notice that Jeter's got a Tyner-esque line (.286/.317/.357) going this year? I know he's been hurt, but a decline there along with the suspect pitching staff could be enough (along with an injured A-Rod) to cause the Yankees to flip out. Pop the corn and settle in. It could be entertaining.

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Algonad replied on May 2, 2008 at 2:53:57 pm

I have Jeter on both my fantasy baseball teams. I've noticed.

 
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 2, 2008 at 2:58:39 pm

Yeah, if they'd jack-hammered that BoSox uni up later in the season, we might have had news reports of a missing Cashman about the time they repoured the concrete floor again.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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