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Game 54: New York at Minnesota

Posted by ubelmann on Friday, May 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Mike Mussina vs. Glen Perkins

Today, Joe Posnanski has proposed the Dayton Game.* Basically, how many tools are there on your team that are 60 tools. 60 is a rating on the typical scouting scale, and well, I'm not a scout. Posnanski suggests that a 60 tool is an All-Star caliber tool and provides examples and such. Also, All-Star caliber is a bit misleading since you need to adjust for position to determine who is an All-Star, so, yeah.

*How much money do you suppose it would take to lure Posnanski to Minnesota to cover the Twins? At that point, I think I would just stop writing about the team and maybe stick to posting relevant numbers.

Anyway, how about the Twins? Let's see:

60 Tools
Mauer's arm
Cuddyer's arm
Delmon's arm (he throws to the wrong base a lot, but I believe that's a "makeup" issue, if we're playing pretend scouts)
Mauer's hitting*
Morneau's hitting
Morneau's power
Delmon's power**
Gomez's speed
Casilla's speed (I think, but then again his SB% is really awful)
Everett's defense (when healthy)
Mauer's defense

On the bubble, I would put:
Gomez's arm (strong, but can be erratic)
Gomez's defense (he's fast, but I'm not yet convinced he's great in center)
Punto's defense (if we're not adjusting for position, he clearly has a lot of defensive value, though I'm not convinced he's a special player on defense)
Punto's arm (good, but certainly has never impressed me from SS)

Maybe tempting, but:
Casilla's defense (he's fast, but I'm not impressed with his hands and he is still probably error-prone)
Cuddyer's power (he's had one good power year ('06) but overall has a sub-.200 career ISO)
Kubel's power (sub-.200 career ISO, could improve, but to All-Star levels?)
Gomez's power (it's good for a center fielder, but compared across positions, not really)
Kubel's hitting (pre-injury, I would have said .300 hitter, but these days I'm thinking more like .270-.280)

Tools that could become 60 tools:
Casilla's hitting (I glanced again at his minor league record, and he's just 23, and I decided that he might hit for good average)
Delmon's hitting (.286 career hitter as a 22-year-old, I think it could still be there, but the power is a big ??? now)

*We're doing things the scouting way, and hitting=hits for average.

**Just kidding.

I don't know really whether that's good or bad overall, but sometimes it's just fun to take a look at what the team is. (Certainly I have more tools listed than Posnanski had listed for the Royals.) The scale is subjective, making it prone to disagreement, but that might provide for a better conversation piece. Certainly hitting for average and hitting for power are pretty easy to quantify, so sometime it might be fun to try to quantify the scouting scale a bit.

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ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

New streak! Delmon in LF.

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Im so excited.
I just cant hide it.

 
 
Eric in Madison
Eric in Madison replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

I have a bad feeling about this game. Frankly, I have a bad feeling about this series. I'd like to avoid the sweep.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

I think we could see a lot of Yankee walks today. I hope I'm wrong.

 
 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

I happened to waste five minutes of my life reading Top Jimmy's column today. What an embarrassment he is.

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

I havent read him in 5 years

Pat Borzi at MinnPost had an interesting article today about the Twins and attendance

 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Good jump by Abreu, but Mauer might have gotten him with an on target throw.

 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

the Twins did not walk a batter in the KC series
it took what, two Yankees batters to draw one

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

There's a world of difference between control pitchers like Slowey and Blackburn pitching against KC and a guy with shaky control like Perkins pitching against the Yankees. And not even just like a Mercury world...more like a Jupiter world.

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

right. Plus KC is not known for taking walks
I just hope a walk in the first inning does not set the tone for the series. I guess Im a bit paranoid today :lol:

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

I think it's fair to be paranoid against the Yankees. :)

 
E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm


It's not that I'm paranoid, it's just that everyone's out to get me.

--Frank Burns

 
 
 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Ugh. Punto would've had that.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Dammit mlb.tv, I thought we'd finally worked out a nice, sound-free commercial break system.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

Gomez got totally fooled on that. Oh well.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

I'm still surprised that Mussina signed such a small contract to stay with the Yankees last year.

 
New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Nice platience by the laddie.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

That was a really nice swing from Casilla to hit an offspeed pitch.

 
Eric in Madison
Eric in Madison replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Casilla really has had some good looking plate appearances.

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

Casilla's been impressive at the plate in this little stint, better small sample size theater than his performance last year.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Yeah. I got to looking at his numbers at Rochester last year. Supposing for a second that he was a bit unlucky on singles last year, he was really pretty close to his minor league career numbers. And he's still young. I had almost totally given up on the kid after last year, but sometimes baseball is about patience.

 
 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Yankees snakebit. hopefully a game's worth

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

M11 would've gotten that.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Curse of the Dougbino?

 
 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

It appears as if we are dealing with a small strike zone tonight.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

W00t! Past a lunging Rodriguez.

 
Eric in Madison
Eric in Madison replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

Mussina is sort of getting squeezed here.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

I agree, but Perkins seemed to be getting squeezed, too. As long as the Twins are willing to be patient, hopefully it won't be a big problem.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Okay, that second strike to Kubel was totally inconsistent with anything he's called so far. Wow.

Eric in Madison
Eric in Madison replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Yeah, that call made my initial post seem stupid. Damn umpire

 
 
 
 
New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

Hoo hah!

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Nice "bite me, yanqui" basehit!

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Heh heh, more like E-Rod

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

+10 beaut, dat.

 
 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

on the grill menu tonight: Johnsonville brat, Doritos, diet Pepsi. plain and simple

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Lamb chops, fiddlehead ferns, and shittake mushrooms here.

E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

Yowza, nice.

BST (bacon, spinach, tomato) sammies, tabouli from the Holy Land Deli, and a rather nice BV Coastal Estate Zinfindel.

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

H.L. Deli. Not shabby(ot).

brianS
brianS replied on May 30th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

+2 mitzvot, Bo.

 
 
 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

Steak on the grill (first time with lumpcoal), steamed green beans, bing cheeries. A bottle of Scandia Ale.

 
 
cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Not in Madison. You'd get a long winded bag of crap about how evil Johnsonville brats are if you tell people that down here. Then someone else would walk by and call liberals idiots. It's the internet come to life down here.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

It's the internet come to life down here.

That sounds like a dystopia if I've ever heard of one.

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

Well, there's loads of good beer around, so that helps.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

Sort of like how the internet has a lot of porn lying around?

Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

dude, it's spelled "pr0n"

BONUS - Drumsticks in the freezer!

(LTEs wont nest below this level)
 
 
 
 
 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

leftover pizza

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

I haven't made a decision yet, but I was thinking about making some hash browns and an omelet. That might be too ambitious, though.

 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

KUBEL! my man!

 
E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Delmon's day off do him any good? We'll see.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

We're living on the edge hitting all of these ground balls with one out and the bases loaded.

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

I want at least a sac fly out of Del here.

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Even better!

 
 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

DY! Maybe he needs to sit more often (he says, knowingly)

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

W00t! Nibble, nibble.

Nibble.

 
cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Muscle past the Yankees with singles.

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Almost even odds with Mr. RISP at the plate.

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

why couldn't THIS game be nationally televised? I wouldn't mind a good Yankee pimp-slapping in front of a large TV audience

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. With eight innings to go, no one has been slapped yet, let alone pimp-slapped.

Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

I have my eternal optimist glasses on

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Fair enough. I just have my superstition glasses on.

 
 
smalls
smalls replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Anyone listen to the Cubs-Rockies game today... that one made even Jose Guillen cringe.

 
 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

Nice catch by Delmon. There's something about the way he runs around out there that just seems weird. I can't put my finger on what it is, though.

 
twayn
twayn replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Who's this new left fielder we got? He can actually catch the ball.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

I dunno. Some kid skipping his college classes I think.

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

:lol:

 
 
 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

The TV goes off during dinner. I turn it on and 4-1. w00t!

E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

Here's hoping you didn't over-cook those steaks. ;)

 
 
JP
JP replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Lucky me, the game is on TV in CT!

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Brotha, what town're you in?

 
 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Man, Jeter looks great grounding out to third.

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

You could really sense the inspiration in his hustle to first base.

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

It even came through on Gameday.

 
 
 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

Boy, Lamb's arm...leaves something to be desired.

JP
JP replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

He was brought in for his hitting right?

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

Yeah. He's actually showed some signs this last month that April was a fluke. Which is nice, since I had basically declared that he fell off the cliff.

The things that I find amazing?

Cuddyer's VORP so far is actually lower than Lamb's.

Not one, but two third basemen in the AL (Morgan Ensberg and Brandon Wood) have a lower VORP than Lamb.

 
 
 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Line-drive RBI single, diving catch and a nice cut off of a ball down the line and a perfect throw to third. Maybe days off aren't so bad, eh Delmon and Gardy?

 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Wow. Lexi pwned Matsui.

 
twayn
twayn replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Casilla! Roll up your sleeve, son. We'll need two vials worth.

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Man, Laddie's tearing it up.

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

okGO

Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Gameday delay. My apologies, AlexEE

 
 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Twins are really making the Yankees look old and slow in the first couple of innings.

Banjo
Banjo replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

Wasn't that TJ's thesis?

 
 
SBG
SBG replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Joe's beard grows a little more.

E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

How will all of that facial hair fit on his HOF plaque?

 
 
JP
JP replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Interesting stuff from the Yankee tv crew.

1. Mauer is the third player in Draft history to be taken by his hometown team with the first pick.

2. Mauer had to be removed from his 4 y.o. tee-ball league because he was endangering the other kids with his hitting.

twayn
twayn replied on May 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

They didn't do the "only struck out once in high school" bit yet?

JP
JP replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

Maybe they're saving that for later

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

Or the "one of three #1 drafts to lead league in batting"?

 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Didn't he create the grand canyon while dragging his ax or something?

 
ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

I hadn't heard that t-ball story before. Good stuff. (Though, in the interest of keeping Joe playing, they could have at least used a softer ball or something when he was up, right?)

JP
JP replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

I'm guessing he got to play with the older kids

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

Hmmm...good point.

 
 
E-6
E-6 replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

Hasn't Barreiro already suggested that Joe is playing with softer balls?

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on May 30th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

I believe that Barreiro has suggested that Joe is playing with no balls.