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Game 66: Twins at Cleveland

Posted by ubelmann on Wednesday, June 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Nick Blackburn vs. Paul Byrd

After game 59, the Twins were "on pace" for about 85 wins. Today they are "on pace" for about 77 wins. Ignoring for a moment that that's not a very good way to project forward a team's final record, this hasn't been a very fun stretch, has it?

But let's put all that aside--it's a special day today! In honor of this day, I have a comparison!

.236/.303/.388 -- Player A
.230/.269/.311 -- Player B

.602 RZR -- Player A
.596 RZR -- Player B

32 years old -- Player A
32 years old -- Player B

92 -- Player A, career OPS+
94 -- Player B, career OPS+

Today, of course, is the 2-year anniversary of Tony Batista's last appearance for the Twins. If Mike Lamb (Player B) was fat and played in Japan last year, he'd probably be getting the Tony Batista (Player A) treatment right about now. But he's not fat, and third base is still an organizational weakness for the Twins, so he'll probably stick around as a platoon player and continue to make outs and hit for no power like it's 1969 all over again, all while playing awful defense at third base.

Eyeballing between the 10th and 25th percentile PECOTA forecasts for Lamb, PECOTA estimated that there was about a 15% chance that this would happen to Lamb. And on a 25-man roster, you're probably going to have 3 or 4 guys do worse than their 15th percentile projection. It's not like he's been super unlucky with balls-in-play, either--his PrOPS of .647 still sucks. Waiting for Lamb to turn it around is probably a lost cause.

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socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

Lamb has an odd home/road split.
Home: .171/.207/.210
Road: .308/.353/.449

 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Minnesota
C. Gomez cf
A. Casilla 2b
J. Mauer c
J. Morneau 1b
M. Cuddyer rf
J. Kubel dh
D. Young lf
M. Lamb 3b
B. Harris ss

Cleveland
G. Sizemore cf
B. Francisco lf
V. Martinez c
R. Garko 1b
J. Peralta ss
D. Dellucci dh
C. Blake 3b
F. Gutierrez rf
J. Carroll 2b

Minnesota
N. Blackburn

Cleveland
P. Byrd

 
New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

I was fine with Lamb as a lost cause until I remembered that he's signed for next year too. I predict he will be getting the Juan Rincon treatment by then.

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

Oh, thanks, ubes. Why don't you just give me a paper cut and rub some lemon juice in it now?

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

ubelmann, you don't comment on any of those Mariners blogs, do you? I would worry for your safety.

SBG
SBG replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

ubes is a USSMer. I know who he is there.

 
 
 
Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Nice throw Casey.

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Still Mr. RISP through 39 AB w/RISP:

.410 .408 .513 .921

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

Time to see if he can keep that up.

 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

My kingdom for an XBH!

 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

bases loaded, no outs, Mike Lamb at the plate

awesome

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

I forgot about the first out. DOH

 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

They exceeded my expectations! Although with all the pitches Byrd has been leaving up, that sure was a terrible pitch for Harris to be swinging at.

 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

Mr. RISP!

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

evening folks

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

MEAT!

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

You're going to disappoint me if you show up at the convention in anything less than a giant steak costume.

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

like this?

New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

Good God that is disturbing. What's the story behind that?

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Zhang Huan, chinese performance artist, piece was titled My America #4, wore a suit made of meat and walked he streets of NYC handing out doves- I've met this dude and let me tell you he is a bit more than disturbing

 
 
 
 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Gomez intimidates Garko.

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

for those of you keeping score at home, I just opened the 1st of my carapils belgian- excellent brew indeed, but needs at least another week to round out (maybe longer...)

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

And that, sir, is the hardest part: exercising patience to let those beers age to a well rounded adult.

I sadly drained my keg of California Common two days ago. Man did that one turn out terrific.

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

how was the rye ipa?

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I had one this week, and it's carbonated properly but still probably needs a couple more weeks for all the flavors to meld together. The rye definitely dryed it out, and the english hops I used gave off a nice, lightly spiced, somewhat fruity character. A couple more weeks, though, and I think a little more bitterness will come out and balance that dryness some.

brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

do you call that a "Kelly RIPA"??

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

That is cheesily pun-erific. Now for the label....

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meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

Yeah, I've been tempted to do a Rye base brew but have been a bit intimidated by the 'dry' quality- I think that I may grab the bull by the horns here next week-

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Well, whenever I brew something I don't like, I always say, "at least no one will ever brew it again."

I can't think of too terribly many good examples of a rye beer to try. I know Founder's makes a pretty good one, if it's available in your area.

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meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

I have the same attitude when it comes to my 'mistakes'. I've had some great rye homebrew, but not founders- I'm looking for something to brew a little on the warm side due to the temp heating up in the Southwest-

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Hop Rod Rye from Bear Republic. Here is a rep-i-ce: http://beeradvocate.com/forum/read/1168961

and I actually like the Red Hook Rye

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

thanks for the links-

 
 
 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

whimper, whimper.

 
 
 
 
New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Again with the bunts!

 
Beau
Beau replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Hello gang. I was in "CoC" wondering why nobody was posting on the game.

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

OK oK, so the pitcher is thinking "GOMEZ GOMEZ," now do we score more runs?

New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Yes, apparently.

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

I'll be damned, it worked! And i thought that kid was smoking the cr@ck

 
 
 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

wooo Justin!

 
cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Alright, I'm gonna call it: Morneau with a ChiSox right here.

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

dang, as soon as I hit "mail" he doubles and makes me wrong.

 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

w00t!

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Justin gets my kingdom.

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Oh Canada!

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

floodgates = open

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

where was this team last night?

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

Loserville

 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Where was this pitcher last night?

 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

dubbel w00t!

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

+ 1 Tripple?

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

or maybe a quad...

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

I believe that was a quadruppel!

cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Mmmm, I enjoy the Belzebuth. I even got a four pack with two small glasses of that stuff.

 
 
 
 
New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

KUBELLL!!!

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

KUUUUUBELLLLLL!!!!

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

MORE KUUUUUUUUUUBELLLLL!

 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

KKKKKUUUUUUUUUUBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBELLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
twayn
twayn replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Duderino. Runs are good.

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

and Delmonstrosity swings on the first pitch. Naturally.

socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Why not tonight? Byrd has been putting everything on a tee tonight.

 
 
New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

C'mon Deluge, continue this onslaught.

 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Kubel wins someone a bucket of chicken
woo

New Britain Bo
New Britain Bo replied on June 11th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

You're like Jesus, with thighs and drumsticks instead of loaves and fishes.

 
 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Lamb with big-time warning track power - but nobody on base to get the sac fly.

 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Assuming this lead holds up, I'm guessing the story of the game is going to be how the relay to get the guy at the plate the previous inning inspired the offense. Never mind that Byrd was leaving his pitches up all game.

New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

What are you talking about? It was obviously Casilla's sac bunt that jump started all the extra base hits.

 
 
New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Is this the most runs the Twins have ever scored against Paul Byrd? My selective memory says "probably."

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Aug 24, 2002 we scored 6
a bunch of times since then (4 or 5, I wasnt counting) we scored 5

brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Different Paul Byrd, obviously. Chief Wahoo has mysterious powers.

 
 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

and how often do you see a guy make a bad play in the field, then lead off with first-pitch swinging out the next inning? ;-)

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Dazz: Twins aren't into all that style stuff.

Me: Case in point, eh, Dazz?

 
Diggity Dino
Diggity Dino replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Wow. Byrd pulled after 3.

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

WHAAAT? No dubbel for Cuddy now? Anybody listening on TV to evaluate that scoring change?

New Guy
New Guy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

They haven't mentioned it. How could that not be a double?

 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

I believe the scoring change was on his infield "hit" in the second, when Blake threw a changeup to first.

 
 
socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Nice inning by Blackburn. After that game in Texas, I was hoping he would hold them to no more than one run. Plus, it's always good to keep the momentum in your favor after having a big inning.

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

d'oh

 
Gutzon
Gutzon replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Did Dick just call Elarton a "tall drink of water"?

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

yeah, I thought that was what he said too.

Gutzon
Gutzon replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Scott Elarton: Non-Sexual Man Crush Target #1?

 
 
 
Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

I'm expecting Blackburn to come out with a broken nail or something before finishing the 5th, preserving the streak of starting pitching non-wins

Gutzon
Gutzon replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

He's got a roast in the oven, doesn't trust Scott Liddle to take it out of the oven for him.

 
 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Elarton tapping the Twins out.

 
brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

take care of this lead, kids. I'm out.

 
cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

Apparently, according to Rick Sutcliffe (I don't get to watch the Twins so I have to watch ESPN for my baseball fix), the Cubs only ever get Ramirez and Lee on first and second when they are at Wrigley.

 
meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

no way fellas... C.Silva isn't doing that well with the M's?

Rhubarb_Runner
Rhubarb_Runner replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

much as I dislike penny-pinching and fill-in-the-hole veteran fliers, I'm d@mn glad Twins' ownership doesn't dive headlong into the free agent idiocy like many other clubs

 
 
twayn
twayn replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

Hot off the grill: Cheeseburgers, Wavy Lays chips, olives, diet Dr. Pepper (and a flaxseed oil capsule for desert). It's cheat meal night :)

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

cheat meal?

twayn
twayn replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

I'm doing a cardio sort of diet. Lot's of lean meats, fish/seafood, raw carbs, very low saturated fats, etc. I get 3-4 cheat meals a week where I can eat whatever I want. So far its actually been very easy to follow, I've been on it for about a month, and I feel better than I have in several years.

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

I get'cha- tonight is certainly not cheat meal night for us, I have the big salad, a cheesy bun and a g n' t

twayn
twayn replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

I eat a lot of fresh fruits and veggies now, replace butter with olive oil when cooking, simple things, but the cumulative effect is pretty significant. I'm also exercising again after several years of being sedentary, mostly bike riding, but it's raining tonight so I don't think I'll get a ride in. We've got a Health Rider my wife's sister gave us last winter and I use that sometimes, too, since it gets more of the upper body involved.

meat
meat replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

I started a similar diet last year- we bought the volumetrics cook book- lots of little things add up to a big thing- I now find it hard to go even a couple of days without the big salad dinner (something that I would never have dreamed of in my youth).

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brianS
brianS replied on June 11th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

I've got my family pretty much on the Michael Pollan diet, and have for 20 years before I'd heard of Pollan. Eat food, not too much. Mostly plants.

 
 
 
 
 
 
cheaptoy
cheaptoy replied on June 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Nice. I did burgers and fries in the broiler. I call it the "no leftovers" meal.