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Cup of Coffee: July 22, 2008

Posted by SBG on Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 am

For some reason, the Twins just can't seem to win in New York. Yep, the Yankees are a good team, but this laying down every year in the Bronx just isn't good. Bremer said that the Twins haven't won a series in New York since 2001. That's way too long for a good team to be dominated. I'm getting sick of it.

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SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 am

Yesterday, JoePos writes a story about Stan Musial that has serious factual inaccuracies, if it isn't totally false.

There was this game, in ‘52, that year the Today Show came to television and the Diary of Anne Frank was published, and the Musial’s Cardinals trailed the Brooklyn Dodgers by two runs in the ninth. The bases were loaded. There were two outs. Musial faced pitcher Ben Wade. The two battled briefly, and then Musial connected — a long home run to right field. Grand slam. Everyone in the stadium stood and cheered wildly — what could be bigger, a grand slam in the ninth to beat the hated Dodgers — and Musial started to run around the bases in his own inimitable way, not too fast, not too slow, all class. And it wasn’t until he rounded first and was closing in on second when everyone seemed to notice at once that the third base umpire was holding up his arms. A ball had rolled on the field just before the pitch. The umpire had called timeout.

Home plate umpire Tom Gorman realized he had no choice. He disallowed the home run. The stadium went black. The fans went mad. St. Louis manager Solly Hemus raced out the dugout, got into Gorman’s face and called him every name he could think of — finally Gorman had no choice and threw him out of the game. Peanuts Lowrey came in like a tag-team wrestler and picked up where Solly left off — Gorman tossed him too. Before it was done, Gorman threw out six Cardinals. He felt like a cowboy in one of those old Westerns clearing out the saloon, throwing out people through plate glass windows.

And then Musial, who in the confusion had not been told anything, walked over to Gorman. He calmly asked, “What happened Tom? It didn’t count, huh?” Gorman nodded sadly and said the third base umpire had called timeout.

“Well, Tom,” Musial said, “there’s nothing you can do about it.”

Stan Musial stepped back in the box while fists shook and boos and threats echoed around him. He promptly tripled off the top of the center field wall to score three runs and give the Cardinals the victory anyway.

“Stan,” Tom Gorman said after the game ended, “is in a class by himself.”

I checked baseball-reference.com and there was no game in 1952 that match this fact pattern. Further, there was no game in the years that Ben Wade pitched for the Dodgers that fit that fact pattern. Solly Hemus wasn't the Cardinals manager in 1952. The story doesn't smell right -- Musial watched guys get thrown out before he even asked what the call was? Please.

Boo.

twayn
twayn replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 10:45 am

For shame, SBG. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. ;)

 
 
Beau
Beau replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 7:00 am

I guess the next question is did Musial ever hit a game-winning triple at any time?

SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 am

Against the Dodgers at home? The at home part is problematic, too. Is a player credited with a triple in such an instance? Probably not. He most certainly wouldn't be risking making the third out at third before the winning run scores. Even so, is he actually awarded a triple in this instance? The whole thing smells like a fairy tale.

Solly Hemus was the manager from 1959-61, but by then, the Dodgers were in LA.

twayn
twayn replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am

I would think that if the home team is down by two runs and the batter achieves third base before the base runner from first crosses the plate with the winning run, the batter would get credited with a triple. Not a likely scenario, but stranger things have happened.

AMR
AMR replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm

I know it happened to the Twins in 2006 or 2007. Can't remember who (maybe Bart?), but I didn't watch the game and only read the recap. I was surprised that he got credited with a triple, considering the runner at first was the winning run. IIRC, he almost passed the baserunner at first (who was holding up in case the ball was caught). Silly baserunning though... you should get to second and sit down. Of course, if the baserunner was out at home, getting to third would be valuable.

Wait, no Bart had the game winning ground-rule single because the winning run was at third. No idea who did this.

twayn
twayn replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm

Here's an example of a walk-off triple from an Astros-Cubs game last year.

 
 
 
 
 
SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 7:46 am

Brett Favre -- Viking

If this happens, my year will be complete.

 
smalls
smalls replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 8:38 am

It seems the Yanquis are our El Guapo and we're trying to fight him without Ned Nederlander.

meat
meat replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am

+3 Amigos

three amigos

 
 
Dread Pirate Will Young
Dread Pirate Will Young replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 am

I wonder if there is anything that changed about the Twins between the 2001 and 2002 season. Maybe something that has an effect on the players' mental focus and preparation. That does seem odd, doesn't it?

SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 am

Yeah, losing Matt Lawton really made a difference.

brianS
brianS replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 am

No, no, no. It was bringing Santana out of the bullpen. He just didn't have the makeup to be a starter.

 
 
twayn
twayn replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am

Look to the helm, gentlemen. Gardy doesn't know how to win at Yankee Stadium. All that mystique and whatnot, don't you know.

SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am

Wait a second. Are you insinuating that it wasn't the loss of Matt Lawton? I recall that he was in charge of determining whether Joe Nathan could pitch three innings of relief in the playoffs.

 
 
 
Andrew
Andrew replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am

I've updated SBG Convention II in Pictures.

 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am

I found this note today at the always entertaining Royals fansite RoyalsReview (btw stick, you should add that site to the blogroll)

Tony Pena Jr. pitched a scoreless inning, striking out the decaying remains of Ivan Rodriguez. (Not a fun game for I-rod, who was also retired by Gobble.) His pitching VORP is now higher than his hitting VORP, and he's probably the 9th or 10th highest rated pitcher on the staff now.

The Royals lost 19-4 to the Tigers last night

ubelmann
ubelmann replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm

TPJ has like a -20 VORP hitting, so short of allowing about 21 runs in an inning, it would be really tough for TPJ to have a worse pitching VORP than hitting VORP. I like his glove, but there's no way he's even a replacement level player the way he's been hitting. (Though if he was a pitcher, no one would complain about his hitting.)

socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Maybe he's the anti-Ankiel.

Andrew
Andrew replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm

Mr. Nathan was a SS before moving to the mound.

socaltwinsfan
socaltwinsfan replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Not starting in the majors.

 
 
 
 
 
brianS
brianS replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Uniwatch with the blast from the past future puture??

OMG. quality stuff, as always.

davidwatts
davidwatts replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 pm

HA!

great read

 
 
brianS
brianS replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 3:19 pm

Wag the dukkha?

 
greenmachine
greenmachine replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Howard says LaVelle says that D-SPAN2 is going to be at the top of this evening's program schedule, so to belabor a metaphor.

Victory is assured.

freealonzo
freealonzo replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Dang, beat me by 5 minutes. Gardy takes his time getting there, but does eventually seem to come around to common sense.

SBG
SBG replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm

He must have read Souhan's column.

 
 
davidwatts
davidwatts replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

Everyone knows that Gomez is struggling. But I keep reading quotes from him that, to me, seems like he can make it in the bigs

from LaVelle today

“I don’t swing at bad pitches,” he said. “Early on, they throw a lot of balls in the dirt and I swing. The last couple days you see I don’t swing. I got my strike zone smaller.”

I have a feeling its going to be a-ok in the long run
but in the short term, a move to the 9th slot is good for everyone

 
 
lookatthosetwins
lookatthosetwins replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Gomez batting 9th today... Let's cross our fingers and hope Denard doesn't screw up and get switched back...

lookatthosetwins
lookatthosetwins replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Whoa I was way behind. I must not have refreshed the page for like 20 minutes.

 
 
Suspended
Suspended replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm

So I'm cruising around craigslist like I do from time to time... and I run across this.

Now if only I had $25K laying around, I'd have a team that I could feed Elsinore Beer to.. World domination never seemed so easy

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Glad to see their logo makes it abundantly clear that they're shooting dice, not bullets or the ....breeze.

lookatthosetwins
lookatthosetwins replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Or hockey pucks, at the goal...

Suspended
Suspended replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm

That would mean that you might want to win a game, instead of betting against the team...

greenmachine
greenmachine replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Good point - it's funny to see gambling imagery in a sports logo.

 
 
 
 
Moss
Moss replied on July 22nd, 2008 at 8:55 pm

The Nation could pass the hat and come up with some fraction of that, no?

Moss is in for $25 if 1000 other Citizens will do the same...Moss will even agree to be a silent partner!

 
 
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