Let's see: did the Wolves lay an egg last night? Or was it half an egg? Or was it an egg in the second half? Whatever it was, it wasn't pretty.
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I read the T-wolves-Mavs game log last night after the game but not knowing the outcome. It was fun to read the wary giddiness slide into concern, then to disbelief, then to disgust. Kinda like the reaction basketball fans have had toward the Twolves over these long 20 years.
The only good thing about that game was that Dwane Casey got to coach most of it after Rick Carlisle got tossed. He got to stick it in McHale's face and I'm sure he enjoyed it.
McHale made no substitutions and called no timeouts during the stretch where Dallas cut the lead from 29 to nine. Oy. After the game he was talking about how he didn't want to call time out because he wanted the Wolves to regain their "pace". He fiddled while the Wolves got burned. I hope Glen Taylor enjoyed it.
Uh-oh. Charles Barkley arrested on suspicion of drunk driving. Not good, Chuck!
I hope it turns out that it was actually Frank Caliendo.
I am not a role model...
That news is just turbal man, turbal.
What a knucklehead.
However they produced the egg, they then choked on it.
And got it all over their faces.
Upper 60's in StL yesterday; great time to
make haytake down Xmas lights while the sun shines.I woke up this morning to see -10 F on the backyard thermometer (and that F doesn't stand for fahrenheit). I was surprised to find it not entirely unpleasant when I went outside to start the car. No wind and bright sunshine make it a bit more tolerable. The forecast says we should make it into the low teens today, which will feel pretty good in the sunshine as long as the wind stays down.
We need a confession here. Who did not vote for Rickey Henderson for the HOF on the poll?!
That confession was already made over a week ago. I'd link to it if I could find it.
I actually just saw it. It's in the Tim Raines post.
I thought maybe we had a sportswriter that voted just to make sure that it wouldn't be unanimous!
DK
Sorry guys, I didn't know what I was doing! (I'm never going to live that down...)
did the Wolves lay an egg last night?
When you lay an egg, make eggnog!!!
drive carefully, Nation. Or do like me and stay home tonight.
Typically the Runner family watches the ball drop in NYC in Eastern Time, then hit the sack. We're not late nighters.
Got a call from Runner daughter last night (as did the neighbors from their twins), and each confirmed that the band kicked @ss yesterday, but they are concerned that their competition are much larger bands. The director jockeyed performance positions so as not to follow any of the larger bands; it's worked in the past. We'll see. The awards are tonight, so we might have reason to celebrate...
When you lay an egg, are you expected to buy it dinner first?
The first half was tasty.
that's pretty hard-boiled, E-6.
Who did you poach that joke from? Things like that don't go over easy here.
Taking the day off work and stumble into the beginning of "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" on television. Excellent.
Tubby's kids open the BIG 11 season against Izzo's Spartans today at 11 AM(!)
I've got the office radio tuned to WCCO for the tip off. Out of towners who want to listen can stream it on the interwebz.
I'm also heading home early today to catch the Insight Bowl. It's on the NFL network. If you have Comcast cable in the Twin Cities but don't subscribe to the NFL network, you can still watch the game as Comcast is offering it as a free preview. Tune your cable box to channel 180.
I've been looking forward to this game all week, and I'm not even really a Gopher fan (didn't go there). I've always liked Tubby Smith and it seems like he's getting quite a bit out of his players. That Louisville game, although sloppy at times because of fouls, was still pretty entertaining.
So, what do you plan to do with your extra second?
Probably use it to reflect on my accomplishments in 2008.
The unexamined life is not worth living.
Will this year never end???
2008 was a horrible year. 2009 cant get any worse
I agree that this was not my favorite year. Not by a long stretch.
Yeah, I'll join this bandwagon. 2008 was probably the suckiest year of the last four for me. I do have reason to hope for a nice rebound, though.
Move over for me on the "Sucky 2008" bandwagon. But hey, I didn't die this summer when I very well could have, so 2009 has to have more to offer!
Spartans 30, Gophers 29 at the half.
Hey all!
Happy New Year. Here's hoping for a Vikings' Super Bowl and a Twins World Series.
Ugh. Gophers start the 2nd half with a free throw to tie it, then Michigan State goes on an 8 point run.
CC to bS: So, your dig the other day didn't go unnoticed. What you got against union made brew?
The house of shields also had this on tap. So, there. A quality california brew, at a quality california price.
On the way to Magnolia's tonight.
Happy New Year ('s eve day) to all the citizens!
Oh my god! How did I get that moron as my avitar? Like I'm smart enough to change it to something else.
Ok, damnit. I'm a blond, Norwegian, lawyer from North Dakota. I can put up with a lot of s&*t..but some indignities are simply too much.
Somebody tell me how to fix this, please?
The instructions are under the cup of coffee on the right.
How about some Twins baseball talk to wrap up the year? Fans can vote on the next members of the Twins Hall of Fame until January 5th. Who would you pick?
Candidates on the 2009 ballot (you can vote for up to 5):
Dave Boswell, Dan Gladden, Chuck Knoblauch, Roy Smalley, Tom Brunansky, Dave Goltz, Camilio Pascual, Kevin Tapani, John Castino, Mudcat Grant, Jim Perry, Cesar Tovar, Marty Cordova, Brian Harper, Brad Radke, Al Worthington, Greg Gagne, Larry Hisle, Jeff Reardon.
Seriously... Marty Cordova?
I think Chuck Knoblauch should be in there and Jim Perry. Also Brad Radke.
Brad Radke should get in just for pitching the way he did with his arm barely hanging onto his shoulder.
He's also a top 5 all-time Twin in terms of career VORP.
Icing on the tendons.
It's just too bad he had to spend most of his career playing for some of those bad Twins teams of the 90's.
Cordova did win Rookie of the Year
I voted Pascual, Knobluach, Bradke
He was also inexplicably booed when playing for Cleveland at a game I was at. I never understood that, as the Twins let him go.
I never understood that, as the Twins let him go.
I think some people just weren't loved enough as children, and look for excuses to express negative feelings. I think that even statfreak101 would be less negative if we could somehow arrange a group hug for him.
I went Bradke, Knobby, Jim Perry, Jeff Reardon
WARP3 with the Twins/Senators for (I think) all of the guys there and some others thrown in for fun. Current inductees in bold.
93.5 -- Killer
90.3 -- Carew
87.1 -- Puckett
78.6 -- Blyleven
76.8 -- Radke
76.0 -- Hrbek
70.1 -- Kaat
67.6 -- Pascual
66.7 -- Oliva
59.4 -- Knoblauch
56.2 -- Santana
55.3 -- Allison
55.3 -- Gaetti
49.2 -- Viola
49.0 -- Hunter
48.0 -- Aguilera
47.2 -- Perry
41.7 -- Dave Goltz
41.1 -- Mauer
39.4 -- Koskie
38.3 -- Battey
37.7 -- Joe Nathan
37.5 -- Tapani
36.1 -- Z.V. (That '65 season was really great, though.)
36 -- Smalley
35.3 -- Tovar
34.2 -- Pascual (just with Twins, not with Senators)
32.2 -- Jacque Jones
31.2 -- Hisle
30.6 -- Morneau
~30 -- Gagne
29.4 -- Brunansky
27.7 -- Harper
25.4 -- Eric Milton
24.8 -- Cordova
24.7 -- Al Worthington
24.5 -- Dave Boswell
21.5 -- John Castino
21.1 -- Dazzle
20.0 -- Pierzynski
18.5 -- Cristian Guzman
17.3 -- Mientkiewicz
14.9 -- Ron Coomer
14.6 -- Reardon
13.4 -- Mudcat Grant
Hrbek and Radke's careers are kind of interesting. Both ended at a fairly early age, and with a few more seasons at the end of their careers, they would have had borderline-but-still-sub-HOF careers.
Personally, I would start the bidding around 50 WARP3 and then consider non-WARP factors from there. Radke, Knoblauch, and Santana are obviously deserving. Hunter is borderline. He's got Fielding Grammies, but no CYA or WS rings, like Viola and Aguilera. He's someone that I should probably reconsider after I've had more distance.
Perry looks borderline, too. I don't know much about him, though.
I would tend to lean towards inducting Pascual, because I think we should honor the Twins' history in DC, but I'm not sure what the official stance is on that.
Mauer, Nathan, and Morneau should all have pretty legit cases by the time everything is said and done, unless injuries significantly derail them. (Based on the ZV induction, though, Morneau's MVP award has him right on the doorstep of inclusion.)
Based on the Battey induction, you could maybe lower the bar to 40 WARP3, but as much as I like Corey Koskie, I'm not really sure that he's the type of guy you put in a team HOF.
My votes would be Radke, Knoblauch, and Santana, I guess. (I would also vote to remove Mudcat, Reardon, Dazzle, Castino, Worthington, and Cordova from the ballot.)
Santana's not on the ballot. Perry won a CYA and pitched for the Twins in three seasons when they made the post season, winning 20 games for the 1969 team and 24 more the next year. I think he's probably the bottom of the list, but I think he also merits inclusion. If Hunter's going to make it, and he will, then Jim Perry should be in.
It seems to me that Mauer is going to make us forget all about Earl Battey. Heh.
Ron Coomer had more WARP3 than Jeff Reardon. That should tell you all you need to know about Reardon.
Santana's not on the ballot.
I decided to waive the retirement requirement in the case of obvious dominance. What's Santana going to do that would invalidate his case now? Send a flaming bag of poo to everyone in Minnesota?
Perry won a CYA and pitched for the Twins in three seasons when they made the post season, winning 20 games for the 1969 team and 24 more the next year. I think he's probably the bottom of the list, but I think he also merits inclusion.
Yeah, you have me convinced. I'll go Santana, Radke, Knoblauch, Perry.
That should tell you all you need to know about Reardon.
It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about relief pitchers.
Santana obviously belongs.
There's a case to be made for retiring Radke's number. I would say no, but I wouldn't be outraged, given the standard that has been set. Radke doesn't have a World Series appearance, but he had just as good of a Twins career as Hrbek or Blyleven (who's number isn't retired), plus he was a Twins guy, playing his whole career here.
I would lean towards retiring Radke's number, since I think being a Twin for life should carry a large amount of weight in discussions of number retirement. Ultimately, though, I don't care much about number retirement in general.
Right. I don't care about it much, either. If I were king of the world, the Twins would have retired 3, 29, and 34.
Radke doesn't have a World Series appearance, but he had just as good of a Twins career as Hrbek or Blyleven (who's number isn't retired), plus he was a Twins guy, playing his whole career here.
Im sure the moment Jesse Crain leaves the team or switches numbers, the Twins will retire Bert's number 28
Why? It's not as though Bert is a Hall of Famer....
In defense of my Reardon pick, remember Reardon followed Ron Davis and brought a ton of stability to the Twins bullpen. The team was able to relax knowing Reardon had their back in the 9th inning. At least for 1987 and 1988, this played a large part on one championship season and one 91 win season.
I'll give you that he was better than Ron Davis. But, he certainly wasn't better than Juan Berenguer in 1987.
Berenguer: 112IP, 3.56 FIP
Reardon: 80.3IP, 4.44 FIP
In 1988, he was slightly better than Berengurer rate wise, but again, Berenguer threw more innnings
Berenguer: 100IP, 3.96 FIP
Reardon: 73IP, 3.35 FIP
In 1989, Reardon was a little better than Berenguer again albeit in fewer innings:
Berenguer: 106IP, 4.12 FIP
Reardon: 73IP, 3.86 FIP
And that's all the years Reardon pitched for the Twins. Add up the three years and you get this:
Berenguer: 318IP, 3.91 FIP
Reardon: 226.3IP, 3.90 FIP
There's no daylight between Senor Smoke and Reardon and Juan threw almost 50% more innings. I'd argue that Berenguer contributed more to the Twins over the time that Reardon was a Twin.
I'd like to see some more love for Camilo -- he was a K machine in his day. I remember Perry as a great pitcher, but I guess he had a high peak (during my prime BB card collecting) but didn't sustain it very long.
Radke & Knoblauch, plus Pascual from the veteran's committee.
That should tell you all you need to know about Reardon.
Reardon's beard >>> Coom-dog's beard.
If Mauer repeats his 2008 season in 2009, he moves between Viola and Gaetti on the list. Add another 10 WARP3 in 2010 and he's right behind Oliva. I'm pretty sure he'll be the last player to wear #7 for the Twins.
Mark DeRosa to the Indians
Hehe! A couple of great back-to-back comments on LEN3's post:
Ben W says:
December 31st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
"Meanwhile, Smith and Gardy sit around smelling their own farts."
Ross says:
December 31st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
"I will always support the Twins but every offseason I throw up time and time again."
It's interesting that LEN3 lists Mulvey as a guy that he would trade for DeRosa. I definitely would not have done Mulvey for DeRosa, especially since DeRosa would be making $5.5M this year. Mulvey had by far his worst year as a pro last year, but it was his first look at AAA and he's advanced fairly quickly--even for a college guy.
At worst, I think that Mulvey's stats compare pretty well to Matt Guerrier's as a minor leaguer, and he'll be a useful guy in the bullpen--maybe even as early as this year--on the cheap. At best, Mulvey becomes a cheap 4th starter or an better-than-Guerrier bullpen arm.
Sure, the Twins could have beaten Cleveland's offer, but I'm not really sure they would want to.
not a good day for the Maroon and Gold
Tubby loses his first game of the year, and Brewster's squad ends the season with a dud
I am stunned, STUNNED! that the Brewster's squad got beat.
at least they scores a few touchdowns
Well, they got off to a strong start, but that second quarter was a bit hard to watch. Two dumb interference penalties (the one after a huge sack that had KU at 3rd and 24) that set up a TD. Three (or four?) straight 3-and-out possessions. Then later in the game when they had first and goal inside the 10 and couldn't get it in. I thought some of the play calling, especially in the red zone, was way too conservative and predictable. But it was fairly entertaining to watch and I didn't really expect the Gophers to win. That Briscoe had one helluva game, and Reesing was really good, too. He read the blitz and stunts well all night and was very effective getting the ball up the field under pressure, especially on the quick pass plays, the little slant-ins and crossing routes. He's quick, smart, sees the field well and was very good when he got flushed out of the pocket. I just saw too many missed blocks, missed assignments, and blown coverages for the Gophs to have a chance against a team like the Jayhawks. But I was entertained. Now, time to put on The Dark Knight and crack open some vino. Feliz Año Nuevo, amigos!