Comments on: Value of Denard Span’s Defense http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/ Your Daily Source for Half-Baked Crap Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:13:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: meat http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247917 meat Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:06:01 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247917 I couldn't actually read the entirety of the article you linked to. To be honest, I thought it was going to be a rick roll. /hrumph I couldn't actually read the entirety of the article you linked to. To be honest, I thought it was going to be a rick roll. /hrumph

]]> By: meat http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247916 meat Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:03:15 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247916 <em>Span strikes me as a pretty intelligent baseball player, on the whole</em> I agree, but this also works on the hole. <img src="http://www.altuse.com/upload/images/1000/445/51KJ5SF44HL._SL500_AA280_.jpg" alt="" /> Span strikes me as a pretty intelligent baseball player, on the whole

I agree, but this also works on the hole.

]]> By: DK http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247915 DK Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:52:25 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247915 Step 1: Torpedo the team's outfield defense by trading Gomez and keeping Delmon. Step 2: Attempt to sign VETERAN!!! fly-baller <a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/69535482.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr" rel="nofollow">Jarrod Washburn</a> to add to the rotation's dozen other fly-ballers. Step 3: ????? Step 4: PROFIT!!! Step 1: Torpedo the team's outfield defense by trading Gomez and keeping Delmon.
Step 2: Attempt to sign VETERAN!!! fly-baller Jarrod Washburn to add to the rotation's dozen other fly-ballers.
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: PROFIT!!!

]]> By: brianS http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247913 brianS Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:23:00 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247913 If only we could get The Shat to read it on Conan! If only we could get The Shat to read it on Conan!

]]> By: Milt on Tilt http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247911 Milt on Tilt Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:44:20 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247911 Don't forget October! Or as Kubel called it, offseason. Don't forget October! Or as Kubel called it, offseason.

]]> By: Beau http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247910 Beau Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:28:03 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247910 At least balls don't travel as far in cold weather. So if it is a bandbox, hopefully it won't be in April and September. At least balls don't travel as far in cold weather. So if it is a bandbox, hopefully it won't be in April and September.

]]> By: CarterHayes http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247902 CarterHayes Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:05:55 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247902 We won't know for sure until a couple seasons are under its belt, but I'm more than a little worried that place is gonna be something of a bandbox. Not exactly what a team like the Twins needs to be competitive. We won't know for sure until a couple seasons are under its belt, but I'm more than a little worried that place is gonna be something of a bandbox. Not exactly what a team like the Twins needs to be competitive.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247897 E-6 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:46:17 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247897 Cold comfort maybe, but foul territory at the new park is far more snug than at the HUMP. Cold comfort maybe, but foul territory at the new park is far more snug than at the HUMP.

]]> By: E-6 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247896 E-6 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:21:34 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247896 And yet, DSPAN can never hope to match this sort of poetry.<blockquote>They don’t have no speed like me. I know I can help this team. Especially when I hit ahead of [Justin] Morneau and the catcher and the other guy.</blockquote> And yet, DSPAN can never hope to match this sort of poetry.
They don’t have no speed like me. I know I can help this team. Especially when I hit ahead of [Justin] Morneau and the catcher and the other guy.

]]> By: Rhubarb_Runner http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247894 Rhubarb_Runner Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:55:56 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247894 His interviews definitely come across as someone who knows what's going on. Moreso that GoGo, but less entertaining. His interviews definitely come across as someone who knows what's going on. Moreso that GoGo, but less entertaining.

]]> By: cheaptoy http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247886 cheaptoy Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:15:16 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247886 <em>Span seems headier</em> <img src="http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/thx-captain-obvious.jpg" alt="" /> But in all seriousness, Span strikes me as a pretty intelligent baseball player, on the whole. Span seems headier

But in all seriousness, Span strikes me as a pretty intelligent baseball player, on the whole.

]]> By: Rhubarb_Runner http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247881 Rhubarb_Runner Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:56:51 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247881 <em>Of course, now we're not really going to know anything certain about the new field for 2-3 years. </em> Well, I'm certain that it's outdoors... Of course, now we're not really going to know anything certain about the new field for 2-3 years.

Well, I'm certain that it's outdoors...

]]> By: Milt on Tilt http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247880 Milt on Tilt Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:53:15 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247880 sure we do. I can tell for certain that's its going to be kick@$$. sure we do. I can tell for certain that's its going to be kick@$$.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247872 ubelmann Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:17:41 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247872 Good point, Andrew. That was one reason I thought it was okay to keep Delmon in LF once they committed to playing him there. I would have hated to see him try to read the balls switching back and forth between the two corner spots. Span seems headier, to say the least, but switching around could definitely slow your first step by just a bit. Good point, Andrew. That was one reason I thought it was okay to keep Delmon in LF once they committed to playing him there. I would have hated to see him try to read the balls switching back and forth between the two corner spots. Span seems headier, to say the least, but switching around could definitely slow your first step by just a bit.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247871 ubelmann Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:16:23 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247871 There could also be a certain "bail-out" factor where Gomez gobbling up everything in the gaps means he lets his corner outfielders off the hook, even if they would have only been penalized a little bit for not catching something in a gap. There could also be a certain "bail-out" factor where Gomez gobbling up everything in the gaps means he lets his corner outfielders off the hook, even if they would have only been penalized a little bit for not catching something in a gap.

]]> By: ubelmann http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247870 ubelmann Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:15:21 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247870 I think that, in general, there could be systematic effects that haven't been dealt with that well regarding big walls on the field. IIRC, the Fielding Bible has home/road splits for Manny and he looked a lot better on the road, which would suggest that the Green Monster wasn't being dealt with appropriately. It would be nice to know home/road splits on UZR for everyone. Of course, now we're not really going to know anything certain about the new field for 2-3 years. I think that, in general, there could be systematic effects that haven't been dealt with that well regarding big walls on the field. IIRC, the Fielding Bible has home/road splits for Manny and he looked a lot better on the road, which would suggest that the Green Monster wasn't being dealt with appropriately. It would be nice to know home/road splits on UZR for everyone.

Of course, now we're not really going to know anything certain about the new field for 2-3 years.

]]> By: Dread Pirate Will Young http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247869 Dread Pirate Will Young Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:54:47 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247869 I also wonder if Span's numbers in the corners because he was always next to GoGo. What I mean is that having GoGo in center allowed Span to cheat to corners and get to balls in foul territory that UZR considers very valuable (like the catches in the bullpens). Those out of range catches boost Span's value, but he can only make those plays because he knew Gomez had the gaps covered. I also wonder if Span's numbers in the corners because he was always next to GoGo. What I mean is that having GoGo in center allowed Span to cheat to corners and get to balls in foul territory that UZR considers very valuable (like the catches in the bullpens). Those out of range catches boost Span's value, but he can only make those plays because he knew Gomez had the gaps covered.

]]> By: sean http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247868 sean Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:08:46 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247868 I don't know if you got a chance to look at the PDF I linked to in the other thread, but I think the baggie could be negatively affecting Span's and Cuddyer's numbers. Especially since the outfielders seem to play deeper than average. I don't know if you got a chance to look at the PDF I linked to in the other thread, but I think the baggie could be negatively affecting Span's and Cuddyer's numbers. Especially since the outfielders seem to play deeper than average.

]]> By: Andrew http://stickandballguy.com/blog/2009/11/08/value-of-denard-spans-defense/#comment-247866 Andrew Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:30:29 +0000 http://stickandballguy.com/blog/?p=17583#comment-247866 Nice article, ubes. I wonder if now that Span knows he will be the #1 CF he can work full-time on reading the angles of balls hit to him and improve somewhat, as opposed to having to be ready for any of the three OF positions. The ability to focus solely on CF duties <em>should </em>help, but how much it will help is really up for debate. Nice article, ubes. I wonder if now that Span knows he will be the #1 CF he can work full-time on reading the angles of balls hit to him and improve somewhat, as opposed to having to be ready for any of the three OF positions. The ability to focus solely on CF duties should help, but how much it will help is really up for debate.

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