If you dislike Bill Belichick, you had to really enjoy the end of the Indy/NE game last night.
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Seth Stohs is reporting this morning that Juan Morillo has signed to play in Japan and that Justin Huber is about to do so. Morillo could probably be a useful pitcher if he ever learned to throw strikes, but I'm skeptical that he ever will. I still think Huber could be a decent bench player for a major league team, but no actual major league team seems to agree with me. Link.
It is a bummer about Huber. I thought he would prove to be a useful piece to have this season, what with Morneau coming back from a back injury an all.
The massive fail was utterly spectacular. Then Belicheck barely grazes Caldwell in the handshake (what a dick) and then has his security goon tackle two media members who approached Belicheck for an interview. The schadenfreude was so high watching Brady and him pout around.
I read TMQ a couple of times before I just couldn't take his nonsense anymore. Everyone who reads him knows, however, that his big schtick is that punting is for wimps. I might check him out tomorrow to see how he squares his fundamental philosophy about football with that upchuck.
You better believe it'll be that the football gods chortled because he ran up the score against Tennessee, or that he is the very definition of evil, or some such BS.
ZOMG, I completely forgot the Belichick is pure evil angle. After punting is for wussies, Belichick is a cheater and should be suspended for-EVAH! is about the biggest story he's got. And that's the guy who followed his advice. Heads, they are ass-ploding!
I still have nightmares about that "Good vs. Evil" TMQ he wrote a couple years ago.
I agree that punting on 4th and 2 is for wussies. And Manning did just torch the Pats defense the drive before (and had one timeout left, if I recall). But I still don't think I could make the call to go for it.
I think TMQ's thing is that if you are at like the 50 or the opponents 45 yards line, and its 4th in 2 or 1 and you punt, you are a pansy.
I could be wrong because I havent read him in a while
I think it was the right call. It just went the wrong way.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/11/belichicks-4th-down-decision-vs-colts.html
This is the math I was trying to do in my head, but I had no idea what the actual numbers were. The Colts are a well above average offensive team (esp. passing-wise) so I'm not sure how that affects the decision either. The Colts would obviously have a better chance than that of winning both if the Pats punt or if the Pats go for it and don't make it, but I'm not sure which probability is increased more.
FWIW, if the Pats are in the same situation in the first quarter, I'd go for it every time. The safe play is obviously to punt, but there's a big difference between the safe play and the best play, and the safe play is often suboptimal. In the first quarter however, going for it is a much safer play because it matters considerably less if the Colts score.
Also, 4th and 2 when the other team doesn't care about the deep-threat (like a two point conversion) is different than 4th and 2 in most any other situation. After factoring that in, I'd say it's at best a wash.
I'd punt, but I don't think it's a terribly egregious call. If they make it, the talking heads will be marveling his genius.
I think going for it there is the right call, but I'm not sure I would go for it in the first quarter. In the Pats' situation, getting a first down means certain victory. Failure means that the Colts still have to score a TD to win. So the reward is worth the risk, IMO. But in the first quarter, success doesn't guarantee anything, and failure drastically increases the chances of the opponents scoring points; even if the defense gets a stop, the Colts would still be in field goal range.
In the first quarter tho, your goal is to maximize point differential. In general, NFL teams drastically undervalue possession of the ball and drastically overvalue field position (i.e. they punt way too much). Going for it on 4th and 2 in most situations will be good because the likelihood of making it is so great.
If you want to take the more classical approach to looking at the situation, in the first quarter after you punt the ball, Indy would have a lot more time to score if you punt. Hence it is much easier for them to score in that situation than if you punt in the 4th quarter.
I agree. Especially with everyone thinking that both offenses are likelier than average to score. At some point, it gets to be pretty straight forward--if both teams are likely to score, then you need to fully commit to doing everything possible to keep the ball.
I enjoyed Joe Posnanski's take on the game.
I think the mistakes the Patriots made were wasting the two timeouts and not letting Indy score sooner. If they don't tackle Addai on first and goal, they get the ball back with 40 seconds left only needing to go about 40 yards to kick the game-winning field goal.
I can't lie. I am overly excited for this news.
Big classic rock fan, eh?
Hee hee!
I've seen U2 from about 10 rows away at Target Center. I wasn't even 30 then. I was not at the 1st Avenue show. Bootsy did NOT invite me along.
I was shocked to learn they were still touring. They have to be like 50, right?!
In all seriousness, I'm for sure going to this concert barring some emergency. Its one of the most ambitious tours ever. Will almost certianly draw 5M in audience and .5 Billion is revenue.
1/2 billion will buy a lot of Irish Whiskey.
True that. But its also the most expensive tour ever. They haven't profited at all yet, which isn't surprising. I wonder what Net Profit will be on the tour when all is said and done.
mmmhmm... i think they'll be okay in the profit department. i'm not losing any sleep over it, at least.
I wonder what are the most valuable bands in the world. Obviously U2 and Rolling Stones are up there.
Embarassing night for the Boss
Hello Cleveland!
The Boss is in Buffalo this weekend. Let's hope he doesn't say "Hello, Toronto!!!".
There's something mind-blowing about Bruce Springsteen being described as a "60-year-old rock legend."
Anyone going to his Xcel Show?
Caught a little of Reusse and Top Jimmy this morning. Reusee just can't get himself to admit that hey, #4 is pretty good. Top Jimmy points out that Favre is on pace for about 6 INTs for the whole season and Reusse goes with the "well, most of his throws are about 6 yards" line.
Pat, just admit it. The guy's pretty good.
That sweet bomb to Sidney Rice yesterday was a bit farther than 6 yards. (then again, a little more on it and its a TD. But still.)
Yeah, he threw that 64 yards in the air. It was a little high, but it did, in fact, travel 2/3 of the length of the field.
Yeah, but did you see what TJack did when we brought him in at the end yesterday? He couldn't even throw a 6 yard pass accurately.
Part of the reason Favre has had so much success this season is because this was the perfect situation for him. He isn't throwing interceptions because he has good receivers that are always getting open. I would also imagine there is some degree of luck in this. By that I mean, if we went back and replayed the first 9 games of the season a bunch of times, I would expect him to have well over 3 interceptions on average. This isn't to take anything away from him, he could have twice as many interceptions and would still be having a fantastic season.
I give Favre a lot of credit for going deep on the "free play" as well. When there is an obvious defensive offsides, what the hell? Air it out and cross your fingers!
Agreed. I am always amazed on an obvious offsides when the QB checks down to a back in the flat, or something like that. I mean, I can understand if you aren't totally sure its offsides, but if it wasn't, it'd be a dead ball penalty for false start.
I agree. When you know you're getting 5 yards without giving up a down, going for anything under 10 yards seems kinda silly. On the other hand, there is still value to something like a 15 yard pickup (Favre also did something like this yesterday). It doesn't always have to be a long ball, it just have to be a longer than average ball.
Last night I picked up a Sony Walkman mp3 player so I can have music in my car (only a tape deck.)
Not using iTunes to put music on it is beyond glorious.
I've got a Samsung MP3 player that I like better than my daughters' iPods. It came with some proprietary software that pretty much blows, so I just use Windows Explorer. Fast, easy, and open.
As a Colts fan, last night was very awesome.
It isn't every weekend you get to see two of your least favorite coaches spit the bit. On Saturday, you had Pete Carroll bitching about Stanford (STANFORD!!!) running up the score. Hmm, Pete, how's that medicine taste?
Head coaches at USC should not be allowed to bitch about the other team showing them up.
On Saturday, you had Pete Carroll bitching about Stanford (STANFORD!!!) running up the score.
I saw that Stanford rolled over USC (55 points! dang!), but didn't catch Pete Carroll bitching about it. I sort of like USC, but they have no leg to stand on when it comes to running up the score
when you have a big lead and have just scored to get to 48 points, it is a bit unusual to go for the two-point conversion. Stay classy, Jim Harbaugh.
In that situation, the book calls for a two-point conversion. /UCLA fan
And an onside kick.
50 is such a nice, round number though.
Is it an audition for a guest DJ spot here? Am I playing it safe to avoid the risk of low ratings if I post the videos here? Is this the beginning of an underground movement to undermine the WGOM video of the day? Nope. It's just Cello Week over at my site. A new cello video every day this week.
Come check it out (you can even post scathing reviews or requests for a rating system in the comments section if you want).
You can post it here and I don't think you'll get ratings as consistently low as I got.
didn't we play some metal-cello for you, ct??
why, Yes, we did.
I don't think that counts towards the ratings I actually got though.
2010 Chone projections are out for the Twins, all.
Dang. Check out Gomez's projection. .310-ish wOBA with his .324 OBP. I wonder if that's in large part due to the league switch? Even the ever-optimistic Bill James only had him at .302 wOBA.
I refuse to let this one go un-noticed.
Rub it in?
I CELEBRATE EVERY LOSS THAT THE FIGHTING SIOUX SUFFERS!
NorDak, NorDakSt, I can never keep those canadian schools straight.
What I thought was a great writeup over at THT.
I've seen a lot of abuse with WAR and I've done my fair share of abuse as well.
here's some info on kansas city transactions.
something to kill time on this Monday
Can you name the top 5 MLB home run hitters from 1970-2009?
I got 154 out of 200. After about 1990, names get a bit fuzzy
I was thinking, 'Gee that seems a like a ridiculously easy trivia question,' and then I clicked on the link.
163.
I took that last week. I scored about where you guys did. Maybe a little higher.
141. It was a little sobering how much useful information was apparently displaced by law school. "Damn, who was that tall guy for the Brewers that ended up sucking?" "Crap, who was the fat Italian guy that played for KC?", etc.
I got 191 while taking it in class the other day.
You should take it again in three years.
I got 177.
Which 9 did you miss, Encyclopedia Young?
Ron Kittle, Brady Anderson, Lance Parrish, Javy Lopez, Rick Monday, Jay Buhner, Don Mattingly (HA!), Larry Hisle, and some unknown player that doesn't show up on my Sporcle score.
Okay, I got Parrish, Mattingly, and Buhner (Ken Phelps!) and while I didn't get Brady Anderson, I was agonizing over him (what was the name of the leadoff hitter from Baltimore that roided up and hit 50?).
I got Buhner (of course), Lopez, Mattingly, and Brady Anderson. Maybe it's because I lived in Maryland while he was playing, but Brady and his sideburns and his one fluke season seem to have an iconic place in my memory.
The big repeat name that never came to me was Tony Armas. I also spent most of the quiz trying to recall the name of the '70s Phillies slugger besides Schmidt. I could picture his face, his build, his glasses, and remembered the legend of his HR blast hitting the Liberty Bell at the Vet, but the name escaped me until "Greg Luzinski" popped into my head finally in the last minute.
Also, if I didn't have a baby this year, I probably would've known the name of the Arizona player who made this year's top 5. But, I had no idea.
Twins unveil their new Unis today at Noon at the IDS crystal court. I'll be heading there now.
No more road pinstripes! Woohoo!
Ditch the primary homes and go with the alternate homes permanently (not gonna happen, the Twins script is on a huge sign above scoreboard).
BTW, I expect a fight on this no pinstripe comment.
Yeah, I believe pinstripes do not belong on anybody's road/grey uniforms. I wonder if that'll be more controversial than my "Morneau is massively overrated" schtick. Picking fights on the internet is what I do!
I am agnostic on this -- I don't really care what they wear in other parks. (But please, no shorts!) Seriously, though, I want a cream colored home uni. It appears that I will get my wish on Saturdays, unless my eyesight is off.
I never had a problem with pinstripes I guess. But I don't really care for these. At first glance, they remind of the Nationals.
Upon further review, this seems more than fair.
Ahem.
I don't mind the move away from pinstripes, but they could have chosen a lighter color of grey to set off that wordmark. As it is, the jersey looks too dark (and has more than a little resemblance to the Natinals' road threads). Also, the piping/trim is so small as to look like an afterthought.
My bad. But to really draw the comparison, we could have looped the M!
I'm with you on ditching the primary for the 1961 alternate, Stick. That original Twins script is a real classic, while the '87-current/revised one is uninspired and dated.
I'll miss the pinstripes, but I love that they kept the MINNESOTA on the road unis.
I agree; that was an absolute must. It really annoys me when teams use only their nickname (Brewers) or their locational name (Texas) on their jerseys.
The primary and secondary logos are boring updates of the same wordmark-on-baseball stuff every single team was doing in the 1980s. To me, a good logo should explain something about what it represents without having to rely on a bunch of stylized words. The Twins really squandered an opportunity to put the handshake/state outline logo back at the forefront.
I'm down with that. The handshake logo was da Bomb.
but it would too closely tie the franchise to a place. How would MLB blackmail cities into ponying up sacks of dough on a regular basis if the franchises tied their brand names closely to specific locales?
Of course, changes can be made again to deal with that.
Nothing tops Norm Green in this department. Changed uni from North Stars to Stars and THEN moved.
The Lakers, (WAS) Senators, and (HOU) Oilers disagree with you there, bS.
Don't forget the Utah Jazz.
My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek, of course. The NFL, NBA and MLB are well-established cartels. Each has had franchises relocate and even re-name, thanks in significant part to the advantages of being part of a cartel.
The last franchises from each of these three to go belly-up were the Cincinnati Reds (NFL, 1934; or, arguably, the Dallas Texans in 1952), the original Baltimore Bullets (NBA, 1954) and the N.L.'s four contracted/folded teams after the 1899 season (Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Spiders, Louisville Colonels, Washington Senators)
This is one of the distinctions with MLB's Supreme Court-sanctioned "antitrust exemption." Congress threatens to pull the exemption legislatively if baseball moves a franchise in hostile fashion.
NFL, NBA and NHL don't get the same exemption at this point, but also don't get to restrict their owners from moving franchises to different locales.
since 1953, there have been five franchise relocations in the NL (twice by the Braves), six in the A.L. (seven if you count the Angels moving from L.A. to Anaheim, which I don't), for a total of 11 relocations.
In the NFL, there have been 10 relocations in the same period (including relocations by NFL teams that were then-part of the AFL).
I'd assert that for much of their respective histories, the NBA and NHL have been much less financially successful than either the NFL (since the 1960s, at least) or MLB. But the antitrust exemption threat doesn't seem to have had a whole lot of effect on relocations in baseball.
At least there's a giant handshake logo sign in the new ballpark.
I'd love to see the team wear the throwbacks as the primary home uni, as well; the new roads are OK but really do look similar to the Montreal/DC design. I always liked the dark blue as an alternate color. If they'd put the '60s script on the dark blue jersey and wore those most of the time on the road, I'd approve.
Did they entirely get rid of the 'M' hat? I know that's it is associated with glory years, but I never did like that cap logo. I'd be happy if the club retired it.
Here are the new duds.
200 clams for an "authentic" jersey? Thanks, but no thanks.
170 if you are willing to sew on your own sleeves.
Heh. I like the Pixies, but not their vests.
A-hrm (you guys must have missed FTLT's link on Thursday). I've got one of these on the way - potentially much better than one of the new fauxbacks with #21 on the back.
My thoughts:
Primary Mark: Are there any other "Baseball Club"s in MLB? New nickname for the team: MTBC.
Road Jersey: Nice, but the piping seems a bit excessive. Single Blue cord would have worked for me. IIRC, the Player numbers on the front were red with blue trim. That's enough red, amybe too much.
Road cap: pointless, hope it's ditched halfway into the season. Make me think BP. Regular plain Blue TC would look nice with the road unis, especially once they go with my piping idea.
Home fauxback alt: nice. At first, I thought this was what they were going with full-time and was very happy. But wondered my the primary mark didn't change to match that.
Taget Field patch: hellofalot better than the Citi Field Patch (Domino's Pizza) and not as intrusive as the Yankee's. Nice work putting the corporate sponsor name (which cannot appear on a uniform) at the very bottom of the logo, so it can just be avaoided for patch purposes. Why the heck is it on the road cap though? I'm not to concerned, as that's a one-year thing. And we get to see what the Whole Foods Tower looks like in patch form, which is silly. Couldn't they just imagine that the Wells Fargo Tower is there instead?
I think they found the perfect use for the M cap... Alt (which they probably never use), much like the Red TC for most of the past decade.
Changes to the primary home and home blue alt (which I suspect will be used as a road alt as well, just like last year):
Very minor... I can tell there's a change, but I can't really tell what it is. I just looked again... pointed serifs instead of block serifs. Not sure what the point is.
Overall: The new Uniforms look good, especially the home fauxback.
One thing that you can't see in the pictures and that doesn't show up on Chris Creamer's site... The road pants have that same piping down the side.
Call me a curmudgeon, but no team needs four uniforms. Each team ought to get a home uni and an away uni. Maybe, maybe, if you are really good and remember to take the trash out when it gets full, you get one alt. home jersey. Maybe. But two home alternates? They're playing baseball, not putting on a fashion clinic.
Oh, and for that matter, each team ought to decide on one cap that they wear for the entire season.
Gross. They get all salty and nasty. New caps every week!
That's what you are talking about, right?
Exactly. In the words of Julian Tavarez:
I'm wondering what his fat, old, dity-capped rich wife looks like.
You're a curmudgeon. There's 162 games in the season. Mixing it up is fun. Where it's ridiculous is in the NFL. I'm almost sure the Chargers have never worn the same uniform twice.
I guess they only have 5
In defense of the Chargers... Two of those unis are AFL throwbacks. All of the original AFL teams will wear their original uniforms this year when they face another original AFL team. So they needed a Road Throwback and a home Throwback.
But the chargers for the last couple years have had 4 unis if I'm not mistaken. 4 unis for 16 games. I think the Twins should have 40 different unis to compete.
Yes, I am a curmudgeon. I think they're only doing it for the extra jersey sales and not for the fun of it.
Oh for sure. But I think variety is good as well. I bet Target employees would love to wear baby blue polos on Sundays.
ubelmann, I am (old enough to be) your father.
They may be (read: are) doing it for jersey sales and so be it. I'm not buying any and I'm excited to see them in creme colored home unis in their brand spanking new stadium (paid for in part by sales tax dollars collected from me). I have a lot less problem with this than LBJ's going to number 6 (Hello, Bill Russell!) and then suggesting that 23 should be retired league-wide. Pfft. I think they should retire #45 for Jordan.
Are you excited about the navy blue uniforms, though? I think that the throwback-style unis look nice, but I think if they look that nice they should just pick those and stick with them.
Aha, farther down I see now that you are not. Like I said above, I'm not even that against having one home alternate jersey. Two just seems like overkill, but I realize that this is a matter of preference and not a matter of fact.
I'm with you, Ubes. To drag U2 into the discussion:
One home
One road
One alt
To drag the past out into the light
One hat
One Uni to rule them all,
One Uni to find them,
One Uni to bring them all and in Target Field bind them
Tolkien prefers just three.
ahh, but there were 3 for the elven kings, 7 for the dwarf lords, and nine for men. That makes 20 all totalled, including the One Ring for the Pohlad.
Sauron must have carried only 6 pitchers.
I with ubelmann on this one.
I'd be in favor of cutting out the sleeveless alts (those were a bad idea from the beginning), but I've always liked the blue alts, and though I'm not as passionate about the throwbacks as the Boss is, I think those are worth keeping around too. In general I like teams having at least one alternate uniform just to add variety. It's the spice of life!
I do not like the dark blue alternates and never have.
Bring back the REDS!!!!1!!!111!11!
I think the blues may sell better because for clumsy folk like me, I'm much less likely to stain them by spilling on them.
I just realized my old away jersey is now obsolete. Its an antique!
the new road uni's the Twins are wearing reminded me of the road uni's the Montreal Expos wore before they moved to Washington. Heck, they kind of look like the Nats road uni's
*misses the grey pinstripes already*
so, are the Twins moving to Puerto Rico this winter? Is that what you are getting at?
you heard it here first!
I actually didn't realize what was happening with the Colts game until they went up 35-34.
Ha! The Venture Bros. are kicking butt in Season 4. We've known for quite a while that David Bowie is Sovereign, head of the Guild of Calamitous Intent, but the latest episode now has "Eon".
Guild Lackey 1: "There he is, and he's brought along Eon."
Guild Lackey 2: "How do you know?"
Guild Lackey 1: "Here come the warm jets."
Plus, a humorous plug last week for Dr. Venture's muse, prog rock!
"Don't even attempt to air drum with Bruford; his meter changes will snap your wrist like a twig."
I havent watched this weeks episode (yet), but the Prog Rock bit last week was friggin hilarious. The whole listened to a King Crimson record before you are ready unless you want to be a super villain had me in stitches
ROY's were announced. Bailey and Coghlan.
Jeter was robbed.
Correct. If anyone deserved to win the ROY twice, Jeter would be the guy.
It was Jeter's first season in a new stadium, so it was practically like he was a rookie, right?
Jeter took Bailey under his wing and allowed him to win. See how unselfish and inspiring and intangible he is?
meat, ct, and bS, go to the beer store right away. This s%!# is delicious.
Ooooh, I'll swing by on Wednesday and see if we've got it here yet.
No dice, buffalo. Have you forgotten, I live in hell. ps I have a proposition for you...
Do tell.
Ommegang only ships direct to NY and you live in NY.........
So, if I were to buy a sampler and send you a sixer of homebrew +shipping costs.... you see where we both benefit?
If we were to do that, I would suggest the Abbey Ale cave brew rather than the Adoration. You let me know which suits you best and what size interest you and I think we could make a deal. Or maybe you could send me some Fat Tire product of your choosing as I cannot buy that in NY.
Also, FWIW, as I am working towards being a homeowner, I want you to know that I am more than willing to evict any tenant for you and Dr. Chop for when you return to the city of good neighbors.
FTLT, if you want to sample some New Belgium products (makers of Fat Tire), just take some of your Ommegangs and dilute 50 pct with water.
I say that with love. New Belgium makes very nice products. But, other than the 1554, I don't think they are in Ommegang's league.
Whoops. I meant New Belgium, of course. I am on my second big Adoration tonight. It turns out it was too good for just one, even if work ends up being sort of a drag tomorrow.
But I have a question to your previous point, what is each of the citizens favorite breweries? Personally, Ommegang is a distant second to Unibroue for me. As for Ommegang I really do love Abbey Ale but the rest of their beers don't hold a candle to it in my eyes. Though, to be far, this Adoration is pretty fantastic.
Concerning Unibroue, the Fin du Monde is excellent. Maybe my favourite beer in the world.
Oh, that three philosophers is pretty damn good, in fact it may be my favorite beer evah... okay maybe not my favorite evah, but in the top 3. Odell's brewery from Ft. Collins makes a solid product of their IPA and Wheat variety, and Rogue's entire line up is like the yankees, stacked.
I can get you a good sampling of most New Belgium products and some other quality local (TX) brew in exchange, it sounds like we can work out the details...
how fruity is the three philosophers? i had my first ommegang experience a couple weeks ago via abbey ale (the trader joe's by my place was selling it for $4!). i liked it, for sure. and, speak of the devil, i decided to try a new one tonight. i'd heard yourself and bS speak very highly of the three philosophers, but i noticed it's part lambic. i had lambic once, and it was absolutely disgusting. it was one of the better kinds too (that yellow label with all the vines). even my wife, who loves fruity beers, didn't like it. i ended up going with the hennepin, which seems like a lighter version of the abbey ale to my inexperienced pallet. anyway, if it's not that fruity (i noticed it's only 2% lambic), i'll try it.
IMO, The Three Philosphers is Ommegang's take on "Let's throw every ingredient we have laying around and make it super alcoholic". Not to say that is a bad thing, it is just that Abbey Ale set such a high standard that very few beers can come close. On my all time scale, off the top of my head, Fuller's 2007 Vintage Ale>Fin Du Monde>Abbey Ale>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three Philosophers.
It's got a very subtle cherry flavor, verrrrry subtle. I think that the stuff is sooooooooooooooooo smooth and quaffable it should be criminal. I agree with buffalo that abbey ale is among the greats of beer produced in 'merica, his distaste of three philosophers proves he just doesn't have as refined a palette as I do /beer snob/heh.
I'm pretty sure that I haven't had anything bad by fullers (ever), but that 2007 vintage was something special indeed.
EDIT: I would add that I enjoy most of the Unibroue offerings, but La Terrible has become my personal favorite.
I've had 3 Phils where it has been quite fruity, but with such big malt and yeast flavors that it was quite balanced. Other times, the cherry was rather subdued.
I'm saddened to hear your reaction to lambic. Real lambic is sublime.
wait, $4?? I wonder if I can catch a redeye....
My favorite? I think its a toss up between New Glarus and Surly. New Glarus probably gets the edge because I can get it on a regular basis, and they have the best experimental line in the nation... dammit.
How bout those fools from Stillwater, liftbridge?
La Terrible has been on sale for $7.99(!!!) this past month at premier. To say that I have been hording them might be an understatement.
They've got a nice saison, but that's really all I've had. They only have the one in sixers and I don't get back up there enough to visit bars that carry other varieties.
I have bombers of Unibroue's Quatre-Centieme and Chambly Noire waiting for the holiday treatment this year.
I have bombers of Unibroue's Quatre-Centieme and Chambly Noire waiting for the holiday treatment this year.
Doc, you should be giving them the brown bag treatment.
