Cup of Coffee: November 23, 2009

"It's good to be able to watch a guy like that [Brett Favre] because of the way he plays. He's a guy who makes plays out of nothing. It's similar to what I do." -- Tarvaris Jackson

"When they put Tarvaris Jackson in during the third quarter, it's embarrassing to be down that far." -- Matt Hasselbeck

127 comments to Cup of Coffee: November 23, 2009

  • Nobody likes to see Tarvaris Jackson play, but everyone likes the results.

  • For those interested, the Springsteen show last night, rumoured to be his last ever (!!!) with the E Street Band was nearly 4 hours of pure rock and roll goodness. He played Greetings From Asbury Park, for the first (and I suppose last) time in full. Set list can be found here.

    I think the main thing that separates the Boss from his peers is his abilty to make every single song seem so important.
    From the very first song it felt like it was the last song of an encore from a show lasting 6 hours. The band gave it their all on every single song. Which is more than can be said for most bands nowadays.

  • SBG

    Peter King tops himself for inanity:

    4. Tom Brady, QB, New England. I believe Brady will one day look back on the day Wes Welker was traded to New England for second- and seventh-round picks and say it was a watershed moment in his career. Brady has found him an average of 7.5 times a game in Welker's 40-game New England career.

    Right because before the Patriots got Welker all that loser Brady had done is win three Super Bowls. I should add that Brady got hurt and missed 15 1/2 games of Welker's NE career. Oy vey, the stupid!

  • You Choose:

    1: Business trip to Omaha
    2: Clean house for Thanksgiving guests

    I chose 1 because I can expense my meals. And because, you know, work pays the bills. Not because I don't like cleaning or anything.

  • SBG

    ESPN baseball "experts" have the AL MVP at Mauer (20), Jeter (1, Jon Miller), Teieieieieieixeieieieieieiera (1, Steve Berthiaume).

  • So, I think we all are pretty optimistic Mauer walks away with the MVP, where do you think any other Twins will finish in the ballots? I'm guessing

    Cuddyer 19
    Kubel 22
    Nathen 24

  • What are people's thoughts on pitchers and the MVP award. I'm not shy in stating that I believe they shouldn't be considered. There are two major awards. One of them is for pitchers, with the words 'Most Valuable Pitcher' inscribed on the actual trophy.

    What would be ideal is if there were an award explicitly for everyday players. Not even the Hank Aaron award as that is solely offensive. Then the MVP could be whoever. And perhaps like the NFL with one winner between leagues. But that's not how it is, and it doesn't look like that will change anytime in the near future.

    • I always consider the MVP to be for the best position player, and Cy Young for the best pitcher, and I'd rather not have pitchers winning the MVP.

    • Generally, I like to keep the award separate. But, if there is a rare occasion that a pitcher is so dominate and the position players have a weak field, then vote for the pitcher for MVP

    • I don't have a problem with two separate awards if that is explicitly stated. The way it is now, however, I think that if a pitcher is, in fact, the most valuable player in the league (however "valuable" is defined, which is a separate argument), then he should win the award.

      What I would really prefer is awards that clearly state they go to the best everyday player and the best pitcher. I think that's what these awards were intended to be, but now they've gotten mucked up by people who want to argue that you can't be valuable if you're not on a championship team. Even so, though, I suppose people would still say, "well, he can't be the best player because he couldn't lead his team to victory." As Douglas Adams once pointed out, the problem with trying to design something that's completely foolproof is that we tend to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

    • I've met MOT (not the Hoople) so I can confirm that he is not LaVelle E. Neal III.

        • MVP VOTING
          The Ballot of Pedro & Pudge

          In the 48 hours after Rangers catcher Ivan Rodriguez (right) was named the American League's Most Valuable Player on Thursday, Minneapolis Star Tribune sportswriter La Velle E. Neal III received 325 E-mails, answered 100 telephone calls and amassed another 75 phone messages, including 10 from one peeved Bostonian on a pub crawl. By omitting pitchers from his MVP ballot, Neal helped throw the vote to Rodriguez over Red Sox ace Pedro Martinez, a stand that left Neal's popularity in New England somewhere between Bill Buckner's and the Boston Strangler's.

          Yes, Rodriguez was brilliant. He batted .332 with 35 homers and 113 RBIs. He gunned down 53% of would-be base stealers, easily leading the majors in that department. But Texas won the Western division by eight games with a lineup that also featured sluggers Rafael Palmeiro (.324, 47 home runs, 148 RBIs) and Juan Gonzalez (.326, 39 homers, 128 RBIs) in a year of absurdly inflated offensive numbers. While most pitching stats were similarly bloated, Martinez carried Boston to the playoffs by leading the majors with 23 wins and a minuscule 2.07 ERA that was a record 2.79 runs lower than the league average.

          Yet Martinez lost by 13 points, 252 to 239, because he was not among the 10 players listed on two ballots—Neal's and that of George King of the New York Post. Had Martinez ranked fourth or higher on both those ballots or first on either, he would have won.

          • GREAT!!

            I was completely unaware of this event. I have all the more credit for LEN3 now. It's not a matter of value. I agree, Pedro was the most valuable player in all of baseball. But he won the Cy Young, the award for most valuable pitcher. Until there's an award for most valuable position player, I view the MVP in this way.

            Separate but equal. Maybe I shouldn't use this phrase...

            • DK

              Just realize that not everyone views the two awards the same way you do, Comrade.

            • My problem with LN3 there is that he made up his own set of rules for the award. Until the official voting guidelines are changed to exclude pitchers from eligibility, deserving pitchers should be given due consideration. Pedro was really special that year, and should have been high on every ballot.

              If a voter would decide that he's only going to vote for catchers and shortstops, or only sluggers with at least 30 HR and 120 RBI, I think he'd be left without many defenders. Excluding pitchers seems about as unfair and arbitrary to me.

              Also, LN3's explanation was pretty weak, indicating that he did see it as a matter of value:

              "I'm just not a pitcher-for-MVP kind of guy," Neal said. "I don't have anything against Pedro. He had a great season. I just don't think the award should go to a pitcher. Pedro definitely had a great season, but I don't think it qualifies as a special circumstance. There were other good players on that team. Their manager did a great job." LINK

              There were other good players on that team? Their manager did a great job? Ho, boy.

              • DK

                LEN3's MVP criteria:

                1. Not a pitcher
                2. No other good players on the team
                3. The manager did a less-than-great job

                If it wasn't for #1, he should've voted for Greinke.

              • But there's already an award for Most Valuable Pitcher that is viewed largely on the same level as the MVP award. That's where the issue with pitchers comes in.

                • I actually love how the Cy Young is for the BEST pitcher in each league, but says 'Most Valuable Pitcher'. It's as if the creators of the award viewed these as analogous. You can see them in their newsroom hating on the man playing devil's advocate.

                  'Obviously if someone was the best in the league, they provided the most value. No need to change the wording!'

                  • 'Obviously if someone was the best in the league, they provided the most value. No need to change the wording!

                    So if a pitcher might be judged as having more value than anybody else in the league that year, and he is clearly eligible for the MVP award, why shouldn't he be given votes on the MVP ballot?

                    You say, well, pitchers have their own award. But the point is, they're eligible to win both. If LN3 or any other voters don't like it, they should recuse themselves from voting, until the official criteria for MVP is changed.

  • Dr. Chop and I are busily stimulating the economy with our insurance settlement, which brings me to the technical question with no clear answer: What kind of TV should we be buying? I'm so far behind the times that when I went to do the initial research I left the store boggled. The tube TV we lost in the fire was probably 15 years old and was still functional for our needs, but the advancement in TV tech is staggering. I know the basic differences between plasma and lcd (ie the contrast ratio, burn in, viewing angle...), what I'm looking for is personal preferences and insight into this ridiculous dilemma.

    ps The guy at bestbuy told me yesterday that cable broadcast will soon be in 1080, but didn't explain if that would render a 720p TV a large and bulky paperweight?

    • Buy an old one at a garage sale and get a converter box. No drama! Smile

      • I like that logic, on the other hand, my insurance company doesn't take hand written receipts.

        • Get one at Best Buy, any one will do. Get the insurance to pay for it, then return it/sell it on Craigslist. Then use that money to get one at a garage sale.*

          *The above advice is probably insurance fraud, so be careful.

          • Indeed, you are suggesting fraud/CYA

            • so, you have to keep the new TV forever in order to not commit insurance fraud? I don't think so.

              I wonder if there are any lawyers in the Nation who might venture an opinion (in a totally non-giving-legal-advice way).

              • AMR

                As an actuary, I'd suggest you calculate a discounted future expected lifespan, discounting by both the present value of money, but also by degradation of state-of-the-artiness. How much thinner and cooler and higher-def will available TVs be in 5 years?

                Once that is done, then commit insurance fraud.

              • so, you have to keep the new TV forever in order to not commit insurance fraud?

                No, but as I understand it if you purchase a new TV with the intention to return it for cash profit then it's fraud.

    • I can't really give a good technical answer, but in my experience there isn't really a ton of difference, for most people, in the quality of an LCD, plasma, projection, whathaveyou HD tv. I bought a 42" Samsung Plasma that does 1080p a year and a half ago, or so. I'm loving it.

      Back when I last had a roomate, he had purchased a big ass rear projection HD. It looked plenty good, but it was pretty wide. I don't even think I've seen those around anymore.

    • 42" LCD 1080p is probably the best value out there right now. Also LCD's use a lot less electricity than a plasma.

      One other piece of advice, don't spend $30 or more for a HDMI cable. You can easily get one of the same quality on-line for $5-$10. The huge markup on store-bought HDMI cables is one of the biggest rip offs out there right now.

    • is there a Costco in your corner of hell Texas? Get a nice, big Vizio. And yes, the LED LCDs just use LEDs for backlighting.

  • Anyone else watch the MLS Cup Final last night? Not a fantastic game, but not bad either. On the strength of the way they played from halftime on, I think RSL deserved the win.

    Also, I'm looking forward to hear from ubelmann on how it was in person. Things looked a little on the chilly side.

    • I watched and thought they were pretty evenly matched. Can't believe Donovan missed that shootout kick.

    • It was a really fun game in person, I thought. Not as fun as when the home team is involved (when the whole crowd is cheering for the Sounders, it is pretty great), but RSL and LA had good support at the game.

      I agree with Andrew that RSL was playing better from halftime on, but looking at the whole 120 minutes, I think that a tie would have been a perfectly fair outcome. RSL had a really tough time adjusting to the Mathis-for-Morales sub, which kind of makes sense since he started all but 2 league games for RSL this year, but they got it together after halftime. All of the injuries (Morales, Ricketts, Gonzalez, Beckham's ankle) were kind of a bummer, but there was plenty of attacking soccer to be had.

      Things were a little chilly for sitting around that long. Not a bad temp for running around and playing soccer.

      Also, I have to say that I don't think that the FieldTurf is nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. MLS looked into bringing grass for this game, but any grass they could have put on top of the turf would have more or less died en route this time of the year, plus it rained for about 4-5 days leading up to the game, so it would have been a soggy mess even though there was no rain during the game itself. If they wanted to play the game in Seattle in November, FieldTurf was the best surface available. There were also no NFL gridlines and I've seen some other pitches (most recently, Houston in the playoffs) play just as bad if not worse than Qwest's turf. [/rant]

      Considering how little the ref brought out his yellow card, I feel like we were lucky that the game didn't get chippier. I think it was Buddle who more or less body-slammed Mathis and didn't even get a talking to. There were a bunch of obnoxious kids behind us that wanted LA to win solely because of Beckham, and they were actually cheering for PKs. Hopefully they've learned their lesson. (The RSL fans also started an over-rated chant after a Beckham free kick late in the game which made me chuckle. It was probably a bit unfair given Beckham's bum ankle, though.)

      The Donovan PK miss was a shocker. He seems like a bit of a head case, so hopefully this doesn't affect him too much.

  • ESPN has announced Mauer is MVP.

  • rob

    Not that there was really any doubt, but Joe Mauer is your 2009 MVP!

  • AMR

    Cuddy tied for 21st, and 8th and a 10th place vote.
    Kubel has 24th all to himself, with a single 8th place vote.

    John Buck still has not appeared on an MVP ballot (not that he deserved it this year).

  • About a month back I mentioned that my knee popped while playing flag football and swelled up considerably. The pain went away the next day, so I didn't initially get it checked out, but finally went this morning. The doc is sending me for an MRI tomorrow, but the initial diagnosis was likely a partially torn ACL. Yippee...

    • Welcome to old age, Will.

    • Better that than a fully torn one. Moss has been through the reconstruction process. On the plus side, it did force Moss to get in the best shape of his life...aaah, the good old days.

      • Rehab after surgery is great way to get into shape. Be careful to workout both knees. My left shoulder is still slightly stronger than my right from working it harder during PT.

    • My knee popped back in college doing taekwondo, swelled up for a week, then seemed to get better, but it was never the same after that. Turned out the meniscus tore all the way through. Ten years later the torn edges had become really ragged and started folding back into the joint and locking my knee up. I had to have about 30% of the cartilage removed. The Vicodin was nice, though.

  • Ive never really paid attention to birds until about the summer months when Goldfinches would invade the back yard.

    Today, I learned about 2 more the White breasted Nuthatch. I thought, hey thats a pretty small bluejay, but the only relation is that they are both birds LOL
    Also hanging around the house are dark-eyed Juncos. I've seen them before, I just called them 'birds'

    • I really enjoy watching the birds at the feeders. The nuthatches might be my favorite. I recommend getting The Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Easter North America if you want to learn more about the various birds.

    • AMR

      I can be quite an avid birdwatcher in the spring (when all sorts migrate through and I'm enthusiastic to enjoy the outdoors). Nuthatches are the only birds that predominantly travel down the trunk of a tree. (Creepers and Woodpeckers go up, and Black & White Warblers go up and down.)

      Our yard had about 30 Juncos one afternoon in late October, hadn't seen them before or since.

  • SBG

    Best of the decade honoree of the week

    Who made the most right turns at first base over the last 10 years? You're about to find out.

    Most outs in the '00s:

    1. Miguel Tejada, 4,706.
    2. Orlando Cabrera, 4,621.
    3. Jimmy Rollins, 4,532.
    4. Derek Jeter, 4,472.4
    5. Johnny Damon, 4,461.

    What name sticks out on that list? OUTCab?

  • Strange story...two fingers of Galileo were found in a jar.

  • AMR

    Presented for amusement:

    The Colts' and Saints' magic numbers for wining their divisions is 2. The Vikings' is 3. The Cardinals' is 4.
    (Vikings own their tiebreaker over 2nd place team, having swept Packers. No other team has.)